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Rising number of lithium battery incidents on airplanes worry crew

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Re: Rising number of lithium battery incidents on airplanes worry crew

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The article made it click for me why they seem to care so much about you damaging your electronics lost in the seats.

Is there something about air travel that makes these batteries go or is it just a relatively uncommon thing that creates a common problem given the number of flights?

Re: Rising number of lithium battery incidents on airplanes worry crew

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The article made it click for me why they seem to care so much about you damaging your electronics lost in the seats. Is there something about air travel that makes these batteries go or is it just a relatively uncommon thing that creates a common problem given the number of flights?

You're in an enclosed tube with lots of people, so fire is a lot worse.

Most lithium ion battery fires in cabins are from loose vape batteries, probably shorting on keys or change.

Some are from crushing pouch cells in tablets or phones, sometimes by seats.

Besides that, there isn't anything about planes that is causing these fires.

Re: Rising number of lithium battery incidents on airplanes worry crew

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The article made it click for me why they seem to care so much about you damaging your electronics lost in the seats. Is there something about air travel that makes these batteries go or is it just a relatively uncommon thing that creates a common problem given the number of flights?

It's more to do with sheer number of things using Lithium in their power supply that's upping the numbers. Recently Vapes, as well as every single passenger carrying one. The odds have become difficult to manage - so says my local long-haul pilot - and a thermal runaway is not easy to deal with at oxygen-rich height.

https://www.cross-safety.org/uk/safety-information/cross-saf...

Re: Rising number of lithium battery incidents on airplanes worry crew

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Sounds disturbing, but when I think about the thousands of flights, 100000s of passengers, almost all with at least 1 LiIon device…a lot more incidents should have happened at this point.

Semi-related story: I started a flight from a not-1st world country to another not-1st in the times when all cell phones had to be switched off. When we approached landing, the cellphones got contact and started buzzing and ringing with incoming messages. Apparently a lot of people had ignored the order to turn off the phone. I realized that in my 1st world, people follow those orders, in other countries they just don‘t. If cell phones posed a danger to flight safety, somewhere a plane should have crashed already. Similar to here.

Re: Rising number of lithium battery incidents on airplanes worry crew

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> A CBS News Investigation has discovered similar incidents have been happening much more frequently in the skies over the United States. The FAA verifies the number of lithium-Ion battery fires jumped more 42% [sic] in the last five years.

I just checked several estimates of iPhone/iPad sales and number of Android users using a cursory Google search.

Guess what? The increase in the number of fires correlates with growth in the number of electronic devices sold. CBSNews at 11.

Re: Rising number of lithium battery incidents on airplanes worry crew

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I've wondered how long it will take for them to put an emergency fireproof bag behind/under every seat. Surely it's worth the expense. Maybe they'll do something when it one day costs more in bad PR.

People want to use them during the flight. A storage container wouldn't get used.

Re: Rising number of lithium battery incidents on airplanes worry crew

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> A CBS News Investigation has discovered similar incidents have been happening much more frequently in the skies over the United States. The FAA verifies the number of lithium-Ion battery fires jumped more 42% [sic] in the last five years. I just checked several estimates of iPhone/iPad sales and number of Android users using a cursory Google search. Guess what? The increase in the number of fires correlates with gr…

> Guess what? The increase in the number of fires correlates with growth in the number of electronic devices sold.

That would be odd. Surely a huge number of the devices sold replace prior devices. More interesting would be the number of phones on planes and I would assume that this is mostly flat at this point.

Re: Rising number of lithium battery incidents on airplanes worry crew

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I've wondered how long it will take for them to put an emergency fireproof bag behind/under every seat. Surely it's worth the expense. Maybe they'll do something when it one day costs more in bad PR.

People want to use them during the flight. A storage container wouldn't get used.

You can dump the burning phone into them. The gasses are probably worse than the initial fire.
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