Pharo 11

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Post by xkriva11 » Thu, May 11, 2023, 11:56 AM UTC

Pharo 11
pharo.org

Re: Pharo 11

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Post by jadbox » Thu, May 11, 2023, 1:51 PM UTC

What do people use Pharo for? Is anyone here using it for a product?

Re: Pharo 11

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Post by asicsp » Thu, May 11, 2023, 1:56 PM UTC

jadbox wrote: post #2

What do people use Pharo for? Is anyone here using it for a product?

See discussion for Pharo 10: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30917420

Re: Pharo 11

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Post by sigzero » Thu, May 11, 2023, 2:06 PM UTC

jadbox wrote: post #2

What do people use Pharo for? Is anyone here using it for a product?

https://pharo.org/success/

Re: Pharo 11

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Post by 542458 » Thu, May 11, 2023, 2:07 PM UTC

The "fusion of a developed program and development environment" idea is very cool.

One (maybe dumb) question though:

> Simple & powerful language: No constructors, no types declaration, no interfaces, no primitive types.

Are constructors and primitive types really the sort of things that people find to be unnecessary complexity?

Re: Pharo 11

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Post by gladimdim » Thu, May 11, 2023, 2:07 PM UTC

jadbox wrote: post #2

What do people use Pharo for? Is anyone here using it for a product?

I use it for my interactive-fiction backend and to host save files for another game.

Nothing fancy, just a web server getting file and saving them. Like a KV-storage.

I have deployed it to dogital ocean on 2017. I have not TOUCHED it since then. Still running good. And I can access the Pharo GUI via the web VNC just from my browser with full access to the IDE and dev env.

The cons: I forgot how to run that docker image. If it fails I am in troubles reminding myself how to run it one more time. 6 years have passed...

Re: Pharo 11

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Post by gladimdim » Thu, May 11, 2023, 2:08 PM UTC

gladimdim wrote: post #6

jadbox wrote: post #2

What do people use Pharo for? Is anyone here using it for a product?

I use it for my interactive-fiction backend and to host save files for another game. Nothing fancy, just a web server getting file and saving them. Like a KV-storage. I have deployed it to dogital ocean on 2017. I have not TOUCHED it since then. Still running good. And I can access the Pharo GUI via the web VNC just from my browser with full access to the IDE and dev env. The cons: I forgot how to run that docker ima…

On contra, my dart telegram bot runs on the same machine. I have to restart it weekly. Even when the load is 0. LMAO

Re: Pharo 11

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Post by bantunes » Thu, May 11, 2023, 2:15 PM UTC

gladimdim wrote: post #6

jadbox wrote: post #2

What do people use Pharo for? Is anyone here using it for a product?

I use it for my interactive-fiction backend and to host save files for another game. Nothing fancy, just a web server getting file and saving them. Like a KV-storage. I have deployed it to dogital ocean on 2017. I have not TOUCHED it since then. Still running good. And I can access the Pharo GUI via the web VNC just from my browser with full access to the IDE and dev env. The cons: I forgot how to run that docker ima…

You can use this tool to figure out how to run again any currently running container https://github.com/lavie/runlike

Re: Pharo 11

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Post by notwhereyouare » Thu, May 11, 2023, 2:18 PM UTC

sigzero wrote: post #4

jadbox wrote: post #2

What do people use Pharo for? Is anyone here using it for a product?

https://pharo.org/success/

I work for one of the companies on that list and can attest we still use smalltalk/pharo.

Re: Pharo 11

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Post by zabzonk » Thu, May 11, 2023, 2:19 PM UTC

542458 wrote: post #5

The "fusion of a developed program and development environment" idea is very cool. One (maybe dumb) question though: > Simple & powerful language: No constructors, no types declaration, no interfaces, no primitive types. Are constructors and primitive types really the sort of things that people find to be unnecessary complexity?

you can (and often do) have constructors in smalltalk: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/36878787/making-a-constr... - i think the stuff you quoted was probably written with little thought.