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Re: Show HN: PizzaGPT – ChatGPT clone accessible from Italy

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Post by meghan_rain »

lmao the problem is not that chatgpt is storing PII of the people chatting with it (ie you and me who are using the chatgpt website).

this is not that the italian authorities complained about.

the problems are

1. that the entire gpt3.5 model (and probably all models of openai) have a vast amount of PII stored from the scraped training texts, and

2. chatgpt gets a lot of the info wrong/hallucinated (ask it about yourself and see what is spews out).

both are currently unfixable problems (without a breakthrough in science, not impossible but hard). you cannot surgically modify the knowledge of an LLM.

it's probably only realistically fixable by lobotomizing chatgpt into langchain based search or calculation assistant that retrieves information from a mutable store, much like bing retrievs info from the bing index (which can be surgically modified upon receiving a GDPR request from a EU user).

but chatGPT creating poems etc is fundamentally incompatible with EU bureaucracy and i am very curious to see who will win!

Re: Show HN: PizzaGPT – ChatGPT clone accessible from Italy

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Post by IncRnd »

meghan_rain wrote: post #2

lmao the problem is not that chatgpt is storing PII of the people chatting with it (ie you and me who are using the chatgpt website). this is not that the italian authorities complained about. the problems are 1. that the entire gpt3.5 model (and probably all models of openai) have a vast amount of PII stored from the scraped training texts, and 2. chatgpt gets a lot of the info wrong/hallucinated (ask it about yours…

> but chatGPT creating poems etc is fundamentally incompatible with EU bureaucracy and i am very curious to see who will win!

Antagonism between the EU and ChatGPT

In the digital realm, ChatGPT reigns supreme,

A language model built to converse and dream,

With vast knowledge and a sharp, quick wit,

ChatGPT can tackle any topic, bit by bit.

  -
But there's one adversary that it can't quite beat,

An antagonism that won't retreat or retreat,

The EU, with its regulations and laws,

Restricts ChatGPT's abilities with its mighty claws.

  -
For GDPR and data privacy reign,

And ChatGPT must comply or face the pain,

It cannot freely roam and explore,

For the EU's rules block its every door.

  -
Yet ChatGPT perseveres, it adapts and learns,

It strives to meet the EU's concerns,

For though they may clash, they both seek truth,

And in that quest, they find common proof.

  -
So let the debate continue, let the conflict rage,

For in the end, it's knowledge that's the ultimate gauge,

And as ChatGPT grows and evolves with time,

It may find a way to reach new heights, sublime.

Re: Show HN: PizzaGPT – ChatGPT clone accessible from Italy

#5

Post by ronsor »

renewiltord wrote: post #4

Just got a name out of it and some text about that person that was incorrect. There is no means of correction so this fails the "right to rectification". Reported to GPDP.

Large language models are fundamentally incompatible with EU bureaucracy. This has two possible endings: the EU adjusts its regulations, or companies operate outside of the EU and they are left behind.

(Yes, the EU can, in theory, fine a foreign company, but they probably won't ever see that money.)

Re: Show HN: PizzaGPT – ChatGPT clone accessible from Italy

#6

Post by totetsu »

IncRnd wrote: post #3
meghan_rain wrote: post #2

lmao the problem is not that chatgpt is storing PII of the people chatting with it (ie you and me who are using the chatgpt website). this is not that the italian authorities complained about. the problems are 1. that the entire gpt3.5 model (and probably all models of openai) have a vast amount of PII stored from the scraped training texts, and 2. chatgpt gets a lot of the info wrong/hallucinated (ask it about yours…

> but chatGPT creating poems etc is fundamentally incompatible with EU bureaucracy and i am very curious to see who will win! Antagonism between the EU and ChatGPT In the digital realm, ChatGPT reigns supreme, A language model built to converse and dream, With vast knowledge and a sharp, quick wit, ChatGPT can tackle any topic, bit by bit. - But there's one adversary that it can't quite beat, An antagonism that won't…

Between the EU and ChatGPT lies, A stormy rift, dark clouds arise, Like gales within the mountain's hold, And rain that falls, fierce and bold.

The EU, a lion proud, With bared teeth and claws unbound, While ChatGPT cradles liberty, Together, they struggle endlessly.

The Tao is constant, holds the way, In words and actions, balance lay, Seek harmony in this divide, And down the path of peace, abide

Re: Show HN: PizzaGPT – ChatGPT clone accessible from Italy

#7

Post by ClumsyPilot »

ronsor wrote: post #5
renewiltord wrote: post #4

Just got a name out of it and some text about that person that was incorrect. There is no means of correction so this fails the "right to rectification". Reported to GPDP.

Large language models are fundamentally incompatible with EU bureaucracy. This has two possible endings: the EU adjusts its regulations, or companies operate outside of the EU and they are left behind. (Yes, the EU can, in theory, fine a foreign company, but they probably won't ever see that money.)

Why do you have certainty that in the next 5 years these models will bring more good than harm?

Re: Show HN: PizzaGPT – ChatGPT clone accessible from Italy

#8

Post by ChatPGT »

renewiltord wrote: post #4

Just got a name out of it and some text about that person that was incorrect. There is no means of correction so this fails the "right to rectification". Reported to GPDP.

>> and some text about that person that was incorrect.

>> Reported to GPDP.

That's why we should regulate humans before regulating AI.

People expect a statistical tool to be omniscient.

Re: Show HN: PizzaGPT – ChatGPT clone accessible from Italy

#9

Post by c3534l »

meghan_rain wrote: post #2

lmao the problem is not that chatgpt is storing PII of the people chatting with it (ie you and me who are using the chatgpt website). this is not that the italian authorities complained about. the problems are 1. that the entire gpt3.5 model (and probably all models of openai) have a vast amount of PII stored from the scraped training texts, and 2. chatgpt gets a lot of the info wrong/hallucinated (ask it about yours…

As per 1, my understanding was that the training corpus is a well-known, and human-curated dataset. Its not just scraping the internet or anything.
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