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There have been 562 bank failures since 2000

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Re: There have been 562 bank failures since 2000

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I’m surprised the author didn’t include a chart like this: https://twitter.com/alistairmbarr/status/1634275645235793920 . It shows how bad the SVB situation really is. It’s been very quiet since 2008 and its aftermath. Until now.

Yeah, I don't know anyone saying "it's just SVB since 2000". They're saying SVB is the first major bank in a long time (and hopefully not a harbinger of things to come).

Re: There have been 562 bank failures since 2000

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"Bank failures" are routine. Most banks are small. Small businesses make mistakes and fail all the time. Banks are just a special kind of business with a federally-mandated insurance regime and so fail in specific and spectacular ways. A smaller company that can't make payroll files chapter 11 and gets acquired piecewise over several years. A bank that fails gets instantly seized by the FDIC.

SVB happens to be notable here because lots of HN posters are customers or employes of customers.

And it's notable elsewhere because this is sort of a capstone on the current era of cheap VC money. The proximate cause may have been some questionable investment decisions, but the root cause of SVB's failure is the fact that startup funding dried up.

And... is that maybe a good thing? Over the last few years, the tech community, and HN in particular, has been been almost entirely fixated on funding and not technology. We talk about "founders" and not products these days. Series B rounds and not launches. Companies get acquired before an MVC is ready. No one even remembers "ramen profitable" any more.

Re: There have been 562 bank failures since 2000

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I’m surprised the author didn’t include a chart like this: https://twitter.com/alistairmbarr/status/1634275645235793920 . It shows how bad the SVB situation really is. It’s been very quiet since 2008 and its aftermath. Until now.

I’m still not clear on if it’s even the same.

My very weak understanding is that in 2008 a ton of assets turned out to be valueless junk mortgages that were all going to default. Is that true for SVB or are their assets just too locked in for now?

What that graph doesn’t show is the percentage of the blue bars that are recoverable assets.

Re: There have been 562 bank failures since 2000

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So I looked it up. As of September 30, 2022, there are 4,746 commercial banks in the US. That's 11.8% failure in 23 years. That includes 2008.

Those banks total $23.6 trillion in assets. Looking at the tweet cited by ezekg, I'd eyeball that as about $1 trillion in assets in the banks that have failed in the last 23 years. So, 11.8% by number of banks, but only 4.2% by assets.

That's still more than I thought. But the real question is, of those $1 trillion in assets, how much did people actually lose, and how much did either the FDIC or a taking-over bank cover? Anybody have that number?

Re: There have been 562 bank failures since 2000

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post #3
post #2

I’m surprised the author didn’t include a chart like this: https://twitter.com/alistairmbarr/status/1634275645235793920 . It shows how bad the SVB situation really is. It’s been very quiet since 2008 and its aftermath. Until now.

Yeah, I don't know anyone saying "it's just SVB since 2000". They're saying SVB is the first major bank in a long time (and hopefully not a harbinger of things to come).

It sure is, and I hope congress and the Fed learns their lesson this time, seeing as some of the same people who worked in previous economic failures are still around, I doubt it.

Re: There have been 562 bank failures since 2000

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I’m surprised the author didn’t include a chart like this: https://twitter.com/alistairmbarr/status/1634275645235793920 . It shows how bad the SVB situation really is. It’s been very quiet since 2008 and its aftermath. Until now.

I’m still not clear on if it’s even the same. My very weak understanding is that in 2008 a ton of assets turned out to be valueless junk mortgages that were all going to default. Is that true for SVB or are their assets just too locked in for now? What that graph doesn’t show is the percentage of the blue bars that are recoverable assets.

I'm not sure if we know how much of the blue bar is recoverable. SVB is holding a lot of fixed-income vehicles that currently yield less than:

* Depositing money in a fed account (available to banks)

* Depositing money in a money market savings account

* Every treasury instrument you can buy today

When they go to sell those assets, they may take a much bigger haircut than the pricing models suggest given the supply and demand. The assets definitely won't be worthless, but they may not be worth very much.

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