Comment on the UK Gov Proposal to Ban “Bespoke” “Sophisticated” Encrypted Phones
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Comment on the UK Gov Proposal to Ban “Bespoke” “Sophisticated” Encrypted Phones
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Re: Comment on the UK Gov Proposal to Ban “Bespoke” “Sophisticated” Encrypted Phones
#2There are some good arguments in here, but I think it misses the broader picture.
Clearly someone at GCHQ has told the UK government that if they want to ban secure apps like Signal, they first need to get the apps taken out of the app stores, then they need to mandate that phone OSes don't allow side-loading, then finally they need to ban "bespoke" phones, i.e. ones that allow general purpose computing.
Not only Stallman[0], but Doctorow[1] was right too.
After implementing this, they'll do the same for desktops, using something like Apple's Gatekeeper software[2]. Linux distros will gain support for this using "Secure Boot" and something like systemd-censord, which Microsoft might get Lennart to implement for them.
[0] https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.en.html
[1] https://boingboing.net/2012/01/10/lockdown.html
[2] https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/security/sec5599b66df/...
Re: Comment on the UK Gov Proposal to Ban “Bespoke” “Sophisticated” Encrypted Phones
#3There are some good arguments in here, but I think it misses the broader picture. Clearly someone at GCHQ has told the UK government that if they want to ban secure apps like Signal, they first need to get the apps taken out of the app stores, then they need to mandate that phone OSes don't allow side-loading, then finally they need to ban "bespoke" phones, i.e. ones that allow general purpose computing. Not only Sta…
Wonder how they expect this to mesh with the new EU law mandating, among other things, open app ecosystems.
Will Britons just import their phones from France?
Re: Comment on the UK Gov Proposal to Ban “Bespoke” “Sophisticated” Encrypted Phones
#4There are some good arguments in here, but I think it misses the broader picture. Clearly someone at GCHQ has told the UK government that if they want to ban secure apps like Signal, they first need to get the apps taken out of the app stores, then they need to mandate that phone OSes don't allow side-loading, then finally they need to ban "bespoke" phones, i.e. ones that allow general purpose computing. Not only Sta…
Wonder how they expect this to mesh with the new EU law mandating, among other things, open app ecosystems. Will Britons just import their phones from France?
UK is not a part of the EU so it wouldn’t have to mesh at all unless I’m missing something?
Re: Comment on the UK Gov Proposal to Ban “Bespoke” “Sophisticated” Encrypted Phones
#5There are some good arguments in here, but I think it misses the broader picture. Clearly someone at GCHQ has told the UK government that if they want to ban secure apps like Signal, they first need to get the apps taken out of the app stores, then they need to mandate that phone OSes don't allow side-loading, then finally they need to ban "bespoke" phones, i.e. ones that allow general purpose computing. Not only Sta…
They will never stop coming for open source and privacy.
The only option is to write malware that replaces all installations of proprietary OSes with an open source os.
This should not be impossible given the number of 0days these typically ship with.
A self replicating reinforcement learning AI that distributes peer to peer over any network available and reproduces with other copies of itself to improve itself.
Re: Comment on the UK Gov Proposal to Ban “Bespoke” “Sophisticated” Encrypted Phones
#6Everyone with a precursor phone[1] should probably reply to this consultation. And then watch the law to see if you will automatically become a criminal.
Re: Comment on the UK Gov Proposal to Ban “Bespoke” “Sophisticated” Encrypted Phones
#7There are some good arguments in here, but I think it misses the broader picture. Clearly someone at GCHQ has told the UK government that if they want to ban secure apps like Signal, they first need to get the apps taken out of the app stores, then they need to mandate that phone OSes don't allow side-loading, then finally they need to ban "bespoke" phones, i.e. ones that allow general purpose computing. Not only Sta…
They will never stop coming for open source and privacy. The only option is to write malware that replaces all installations of proprietary OSes with an open source os. This should not be impossible given the number of 0days these typically ship with. A self replicating reinforcement learning AI that distributes peer to peer over any network available and reproduces with other copies of itself to improve itself.
The British State treats people born on this island as subjects, and will go to great lengths to have a full spectrum advantage over other countries, including infecting primary school age kids with things like Anthrax (me for one), and will do other things like intercepting telecoms data as detailed here.
https://cryptome.org/eyeball/capen/capen-eyeball.htm
The state will attempt and do kill innocent British civilians in this country and its all covered up. This model of governance is employed in other country's but most people want to believe the state is there as a purpose for good.
Re: Comment on the UK Gov Proposal to Ban “Bespoke” “Sophisticated” Encrypted Phones
#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
Wonder how they expect this to mesh with the new EU law mandating, among other things, open app ecosystems. Will Britons just import their phones from France?
UK is not a part of the EU so it wouldn’t have to mesh at all unless I’m missing something?
Sure, but its not that hard or expensive to hop a ferry/train/plane trip to France or Ireland and buy an unlocked phone, as one example. Any laws the UK passes have to account for the geographical realities of its location.
Just because the UK is no longer in the EU doesn't mean its not affected by many of its decisions, given the enormous volume of trade that will continue to occur between them.
Re: Comment on the UK Gov Proposal to Ban “Bespoke” “Sophisticated” Encrypted Phones
#9Oh no looks like I will have to commit my crimes on paper, with cash and in person.
More seriously though I’m accepting this as the status quo and keep things I need to keep secret airgapped from the public internet and devices.
Re: Comment on the UK Gov Proposal to Ban “Bespoke” “Sophisticated” Encrypted Phones
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
UK is not a part of the EU so it wouldn’t have to mesh at all unless I’m missing something?
Sure, but its not that hard or expensive to hop a ferry/train/plane trip to France or Ireland and buy an unlocked phone, as one example. Any laws the UK passes have to account for the geographical realities of its location. Just because the UK is no longer in the EU doesn't mean its not affected by many of its decisions, given the enormous volume of trade that will continue to occur between them.
>Any laws the UK passes have to account for the geographical realities of its location.
The sun never sets.....