Amazon employees push CEO Andy Jassy to drop return-to-office mandate
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Re: Amazon employees push CEO Andy Jassy to drop return-to-office mandate
#2this RTO mandates are getting old. Do people, in general, believe that we can revert to whatever we were doing before the pandemic started?
Re: Amazon employees push CEO Andy Jassy to drop return-to-office mandate
#3this RTO mandates are getting old. Do people, in general, believe that we can revert to whatever we were doing before the pandemic started?
Yes. The biggest companies, with the most political power, believe just that. I pray smaller companies make themselves more competitive by offering WFH but that’s yet to be seen.
Re: Amazon employees push CEO Andy Jassy to drop return-to-office mandate
#4this RTO mandates are getting old. Do people, in general, believe that we can revert to whatever we were doing before the pandemic started?
It's sort of ironic for Amazon to push for a returning to pre-pandemic norms, given that the pandemic was such a boon to their retail business and stock price.
Re: Amazon employees push CEO Andy Jassy to drop return-to-office mandate
#5this RTO mandates are getting old. Do people, in general, believe that we can revert to whatever we were doing before the pandemic started?
It's sort of ironic for Amazon to push for a returning to pre-pandemic norms, given that the pandemic was such a boon to their retail business and stock price.
this was due to low interest rates and savings/stimmies not anything about remote work
Re: Amazon employees push CEO Andy Jassy to drop return-to-office mandate
#6Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's sort of ironic for Amazon to push for a returning to pre-pandemic norms, given that the pandemic was such a boon to their retail business and stock price.
this was due to low interest rates and savings/stimmies not anything about remote work
Really, it had nothing to do with people ordering even more online for home delivery than prior to the pandemic? You don't think that folks might continue ordering more home delivery if they aren't out driving every day? References for the other reasons for their growth can be found with even the slightest effort.
[0] https://duckduckgo.com/?t=lm&q=amazon+pandemic+growth+cause&...
[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/29/technology/amazons-profit...
[2] https://fortune.com/2021/10/18/amazon-massive-growth-covid-p...
[3] https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/29/how-amazon-managed-the-coron... (non-paywall, yay!)
Re: Amazon employees push CEO Andy Jassy to drop return-to-office mandate
#7Kind of think people not being able to return to the office is the goal. It lets them reduce head count without the need for severance. Kind of like in office space when they just stopped paying the guy.
I did laugh at the part about being the world's best employer. Pretty hard to do with mandatory pips and firing warehouse employees via algorithms.
Re: Amazon employees push CEO Andy Jassy to drop return-to-office mandate
#8Remote work definitely comes down to a company culture issue. For most engineering jobs I would say flexibility is a massive competitive advantage. There are so many great engineers out there who prefer not to be in the office it's a great talent pool, but needs to be actively managed in order to get the best out of it. Having said that, Amazon comes across as exactly the company that would require you to be in the office, I'd be kind of surprised if many people joined Amazon not expecting an extremely high pressure, highly demanding, strong cultured work enviornment.
Re: Amazon employees push CEO Andy Jassy to drop return-to-office mandate
#9this RTO mandates are getting old. Do people, in general, believe that we can revert to whatever we were doing before the pandemic started?
The complaints are also getting old. If you were hired with the expectation that you go in the office, RTO is an eventual expected outcome.
I do see the psychology of taking away what many see as a "benefit", but it's really just going back to the norm.
Re: Amazon employees push CEO Andy Jassy to drop return-to-office mandate
#10this RTO mandates are getting old. Do people, in general, believe that we can revert to whatever we were doing before the pandemic started?
I think the biggest wins from covid will just be that we did a massive 3-year WFH experiment and overall it went just fine. Great, even, if you account for the fact that it wasn't just a WFH test in isolation, it was accompanied by a generation-defining negative psychological and virulogical event. We all went fully remote for three years during a terrible humanitarian crisis and nothing exploded (except inflation but that's not our fault)