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Re: Salesforce yields to activist pressure with harsh new policies for engineers

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Capitalism only works in theory. While it might sound good in principle, the realities of human nature make it impractical as a way to organize an economic system.

I find it remarkable to note that not a single person, since, well, recorded history on the subject, has ever matched criticism of capitalism with a viable, well-tested and proven alternative. Perfect it is not. And yet, no other system in human history has elevated more people out of poverty than capitalism.

Re: Salesforce yields to activist pressure with harsh new policies for engineers

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Capitalism only works in theory. While it might sound good in principle, the realities of human nature make it impractical as a way to organize an economic system.

I find it remarkable to note that not a single person, since, well, recorded history on the subject, has ever matched criticism of capitalism with a viable, well-tested and proven alternative. Perfect it is not. And yet, no other system in human history has elevated more people out of poverty than capitalism.

Yeah, it's fairly obvious from the fossil records that all humans were using cash back in the tribal nomadic days hundreds of thousands of years ago. There literally has never been any other ways humans have organized other than wage labor.

Re: Salesforce yields to activist pressure with harsh new policies for engineers

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Capitalism only works in theory. While it might sound good in principle, the realities of human nature make it impractical as a way to organize an economic system.

Human nature is often contradictory, and is in no way universal across humanity. No system of organizing humanity will fit neatly with human nature. No economic system, religion, moral system, government, educational model, language, and so on, will ever work well universally. So this leaves us all with a series of tradeoffs and concessions. Capitalism has one set of tradeoffs, feudalism had another, socialism a third.

We might disagree on the relative importance of the concessions required, but I hope we can all agree that there is simply no perfect system (yet).

Re: Salesforce yields to activist pressure with harsh new policies for engineers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it remarkable to note that not a single person, since, well, recorded history on the subject, has ever matched criticism of capitalism with a viable, well-tested and proven alternative. Perfect it is not. And yet, no other system in human history has elevated more people out of poverty than capitalism.

Yeah, it's fairly obvious from the fossil records that all humans were using cash back in the tribal nomadic days hundreds of thousands of years ago. There literally has never been any other ways humans have organized other than wage labor.

Do not reply in bad faith. You know the person you are replying to was not saying that capitalism is the only system to ever exist. They were saying that, despite its numerous flaws, it appears to be the most successful system we’ve tried.

Re: Salesforce yields to activist pressure with harsh new policies for engineers

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Capitalism only works in theory. While it might sound good in principle, the realities of human nature make it impractical as a way to organize an economic system.

This is odd phrasing because usually capitalism is sold as the pragmatist solution, imperfect by design but stable and “good enough”

Usually “only works in theory” is applied to the other economic systems which tend to sell high on the idea of equality, but devolve into the same problems of haves and have-nots.

Re: Salesforce yields to activist pressure with harsh new policies for engineers

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> “From what we know, [Boston Consulting Group] made some significant recommendations on how salespeople and developers should be measured to improve productivity,” Wang told TechCrunch.

Huh, so SalesForce, up to this point had, no idea on how to measure if their salespeople or developers were doing anything useful?

That seems implausible so I assume this is just about reducing headcount without having to pay the costs of laying people off. Or am I being too cynical?

Re: Salesforce yields to activist pressure with harsh new policies for engineers

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> “From what we know, [Boston Consulting Group] made some significant recommendations on how salespeople and developers should be measured to improve productivity,” Wang told TechCrunch. Huh, so SalesForce, up to this point had, no idea on how to measure if their salespeople or developers were doing anything useful? That seems implausible so I assume this is just about reducing headcount without having to pay the cos…

My guess is that Salesforce execs already wanted to do this and then hired BCG to back this idea.

At least, that’s how a lot of MBB consulting is.

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