Friday night’s near-disaster at JFK airport
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Friday night’s near-disaster at JFK airport
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Re: Friday night’s near-disaster at JFK airport
#2Is there any aggregation of near misses? How often do things like this happen?
Re: Friday night’s near-disaster at JFK airport
#3Is there any aggregation of near misses? How often do things like this happen?
Re: Friday night’s near-disaster at JFK airport
#4Is there any aggregation of near misses? How often do things like this happen?
Sibling has the links to the authoritative data from the FAA, a search for “runway incursion” at AvHerald[0] will also yield some relevant info.
[0] https://avherald.com/ (may be hugged to death right now between this event and the turboprop crash in Nepal)
Re: Friday night’s near-disaster at JFK airport
#5Is there any aggregation of near misses? How often do things like this happen?
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Re: Friday night’s near-disaster at JFK airport
#6Are we're relying on pilots who are holding many many things in their heads to follow only the verbal directions of air traffic control?
Two alternatives that I would think would be fairly easy to implement.
1) Google maps style directions input by air traffic control showing as well as telling the pilot what runway/path to runway to take.
2) Coloured lighting directing the pilot to the right runway via the correct path. Then the pilot only needs to know that they are following blue, and when it's time for them to move, blue comes up.
I understand this would be more work on the part of ATC, where right now they can verbally communicate, but a system such as this may also help ATC relieve some of the mental load.
Is this already happening? I can't find any links to suggest it is.
Re: Friday night’s near-disaster at JFK airport
#7Are we're relying on pilots who are holding many many things in their heads to follow only the verbal directions of air traffic control? Two alternatives that I would think would be fairly easy to implement. 1) Google maps style directions input by air traffic control showing as well as telling the pilot what runway/path to runway to take. 2) Coloured lighting directing the pilot to the right runway via the correct p…
> 1) Google maps style directions input by air traffic control showing as well as telling the pilot what runway/path to runway to take.
Now you've added one more thing for the pilot to look at instead of actually looking out the windows.
Re: Friday night’s near-disaster at JFK airport
#8Are we're relying on pilots who are holding many many things in their heads to follow only the verbal directions of air traffic control? Two alternatives that I would think would be fairly easy to implement. 1) Google maps style directions input by air traffic control showing as well as telling the pilot what runway/path to runway to take. 2) Coloured lighting directing the pilot to the right runway via the correct p…
Related to (2) is an RWSL[0] system, which was supposedly in use at the time of this event and is designed to stop exactly this sort of thing… whether it was functioning, the pilots didn’t see it, etc, will surely come out in the ensuing investigations.
ETA: another comment suggests that while JFK has RWSL, it was not installed at the intersection where this occurred.
Re: Friday night’s near-disaster at JFK airport
#9Are we're relying on pilots who are holding many many things in their heads to follow only the verbal directions of air traffic control? Two alternatives that I would think would be fairly easy to implement. 1) Google maps style directions input by air traffic control showing as well as telling the pilot what runway/path to runway to take. 2) Coloured lighting directing the pilot to the right runway via the correct p…
Re #2: We already have something like this at some airports. I wonder whether it was available on the runway/taxiway in question?
Re: Friday night’s near-disaster at JFK airport
#10Are we're relying on pilots who are holding many many things in their heads to follow only the verbal directions of air traffic control? Two alternatives that I would think would be fairly easy to implement. 1) Google maps style directions input by air traffic control showing as well as telling the pilot what runway/path to runway to take. 2) Coloured lighting directing the pilot to the right runway via the correct p…
Re #2: We already have something like this at some airports. I wonder whether it was available on the runway/taxiway in question? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runway_status_lights
Seems like the particular intersection where this incident occured is supposed to be protected by RSL:
https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/technology/rwsl/media/JFK.pd...