Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 percent
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Re: Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 percent
#2Near the end the "conundrum" is answered ... the article only exists to stir the pot ... yes if the initial response to the pandemic on the part of the "trump wannabe party" was an appalling response ... certain media should understand there will be a lag in great number of people who didn't seek out earlier treatment / intervention, and stop trying to paint the fools (scum depending on view) that were in charge as totally innocent and making noises about those who were voted in to replace them. This high is from poor actions two years in the making. A pipe at near capacity isn't meant to run way above capacity for long.
"“One of the other important factors is we see higher non-Covid deaths when there are Covid deaths,” she said. “Part of it could be people are not getting healthcare when they need it, particularly emergency care, or there could be more undiagnosed Covid than we know about.”
“One of the other important factors is we see higher non-Covid deaths when there are Covid deaths,” she said. “Part of it could be people are not getting healthcare when they need it, particularly emergency care, or there could be more undiagnosed Covid than we know about.”"
Re: Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 percent
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#4It’s going to be really interesting for epidemiologists to analyze all this data.
“Covid deaths” is an incredibly subjective data point and it’s clear countries don’t all measure it the same.
But deaths are deaths, so comparing “excess mortality” during and after Covid will give a much more objective picture of how different approaches worked.
But it will be important to look at excess mortality for years after Covid. As the article points out, if restrictions limited access to medical care (or just caused people to delay seeking it) the ramifications will take years to show up.
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#6Am genuinely curious if people find out that this is vaccine-related, what would the implications of that be?
(I do not think this is, I am just curious)
Re: Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 percent
#7It’s going to be really interesting for epidemiologists to analyze all this data. “Covid deaths” is an incredibly subjective data point and it’s clear countries don’t all measure it the same. But deaths are deaths, so comparing “excess mortality” during and after Covid will give a much more objective picture of how different approaches worked. But it will be important to look at excess mortality for years after Covid…
One problem is a lot of things are moving in tandem. So for example, a lot of places are getting hit with very serious seasonal infectious disease, and Australia would have gone through that earlier. So is that delayed effects of postponed care from two years ago, or a rebound in seasonal infectious disease due to who knows what?
There are ways of modeling this all but it's going to be really challenging.
Re: Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 percent
#8It’s going to be really interesting for epidemiologists to analyze all this data. “Covid deaths” is an incredibly subjective data point and it’s clear countries don’t all measure it the same. But deaths are deaths, so comparing “excess mortality” during and after Covid will give a much more objective picture of how different approaches worked. But it will be important to look at excess mortality for years after Covid…
One problem is a lot of things are moving in tandem. So for example, a lot of places are getting hit with very serious seasonal infectious disease, and Australia would have gone through that earlier. So is that delayed effects of postponed care from two years ago, or a rebound in seasonal infectious disease due to who knows what? There are ways of modeling this all but it's going to be really challenging.
Should have linked the article directly instead of the news article.
https://www.actuaries.digital/2022/12/07/covid-19-mortality-...
It actually has a great summary at the bottom about the probable causes of excess deaths to date.
Re: Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 percent
#9It’s going to be really interesting for epidemiologists to analyze all this data. “Covid deaths” is an incredibly subjective data point and it’s clear countries don’t all measure it the same. But deaths are deaths, so comparing “excess mortality” during and after Covid will give a much more objective picture of how different approaches worked. But it will be important to look at excess mortality for years after Covid…
One problem is a lot of things are moving in tandem. So for example, a lot of places are getting hit with very serious seasonal infectious disease, and Australia would have gone through that earlier. So is that delayed effects of postponed care from two years ago, or a rebound in seasonal infectious disease due to who knows what? There are ways of modeling this all but it's going to be really challenging.
While covid (or the covid spike toxicity) no doubt is playing a role in the background, most is just a hospital system that already stretched. it might be not evident to people further afield, but a lot of aussies don't like to travel an hour or two to a larger hospital's A&E, put up with the long lines of people waiting, along with the waiting room being a crowded space just full of nasty bugs -- it's no hard question why people are making the mistake presently to avoid getting early treatment.
So many "smaller medical issues" are on a huge backlog ... the problem is not the present Federal or State govt fault wither, penny pinchers had been busy many many years before, that wave of BS was still being dealt with before covid arrived to make a hard situation worse. If "someone" fixes it so all the hospitals have capacity, eventually the next penny wise pound foolish crowd will rip it out again.
I speak as an idiot who in Feb 2020 got the start of a lot of strange symptoms which I now recognised were probably covid-19, after a bit of man flu, BAD chest pains, breathless, could hardly pick my feet up coupled with very sore hips, which progressed couple weeks later to hypoxia for what felt like months but was only 3 weeks, red spots on skin, I noted I seemed to be bruising myself while I slept or somehow the day before without realising, hand numbness. Feeling a bit better a month after that getting a cut while walking in the bush, wrapping it with my shirt and continued, but getting home after I felt not too much blood would end up on the floor of a vehicle which wasn't mine, noted it still had not clotted after about 4 hours though it did congeal in the shirt and the shoe. Both the Bad chest pains and cut were something which I should have ventured to A&E to get treated ... in both instances I was stupid and opted not to bother my local hospital. I still haven't to date, as they're still a bit swamped and obviously the time to go was both times something was serious and I might not have waited for a few hours. My chest pains have eased but I know at some point I need to get it checked out.
Re: Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 percent
#10Hopefully it encourages someone to have an objective investigation into vaccines and "vaccines". OZ was particularly hard on lockdowns and vaxx.