Microsoft's ex-UI chief is shocked about the Windows 11 start menu

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Post by userbinator » Thu, Nov 24, 2022, 4:17 AM UTC

Microsoft's ex-UI chief is shocked about the Windows 11 start menu
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Post by petilon » Thu, Nov 24, 2022, 6:05 AM UTC

This article quotes Jensen Harris... the guy responsible for Windows 8 UI, which was a disaster.

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Post by notRobot » Thu, Nov 24, 2022, 6:06 AM UTC

I would pay so much money to just be able to use Windows 7's UI with Windows 10's performance improvements.

Try spinning Windows 7 up in a VM sometime. Using it is such a wonderous experience. It's almost perfect. I miss it so much. To me, Windows 8/8.1/10/11 have all been massive downgrades to different extents.

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Post by ChuckNorris89 » Thu, Nov 24, 2022, 6:10 AM UTC

petilon wrote: post #2

This article quotes Jensen Harris... the guy responsible for Windows 8 UI, which was a disaster.

Everyone on Twitter is a critic, thinking their opinion is the right one, and looking for their 5 minutes of fame by shitting on some low hanging fruit for clicks and likes hoping that will lift them out of their anonymity.

I can't imagine a great designer like Jonny Ive (not that everything he did was perfect), sinking so low as to shit on Windows's start menu as he probably has bigger fish to fry.

Great people don't need attention from shitting on other people's work because they get enough recognition from the quality of their own work. Only the has-beens with over inflated egos do that.

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Post by bigmattystyles » Thu, Nov 24, 2022, 6:12 AM UTC

petilon wrote: post #2

This article quotes Jensen Harris... the guy responsible for Windows 8 UI, which was a disaster.

I still like the time they put the full screen win8 metro style start menu on their server OS. Pure genius!

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Post by svnpenn » Thu, Nov 24, 2022, 6:12 AM UTC

I work in IT.

The Windows 10/11 "settings" are a hole pile of shit. It seems like Microsoft almost purposefully took the 10 things you would most often use, and nested them so deep that you cant even memorize how to find them anymore. So you get forced into using the god awful search, which returns results FROM THE GOD DAMN INTERNET. If I am in Windows setting, or hell even on just the normal Start Menu, I DON'T WANT any Windows search returning anything from the internet. Ever. If I want to search the internet, I will open a god damn web browser. FFS Microsoft, stop trying to turn yourself into some Frankenstein of iOS/Chromebook.

No one wants that.

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Post by Haga » Thu, Nov 24, 2022, 6:13 AM UTC

bigmattystyles wrote: post #5

petilon wrote: post #2

This article quotes Jensen Harris... the guy responsible for Windows 8 UI, which was a disaster.

I still like the time they put the full screen win8 metro style start menu on their server OS. Pure genius!

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Post by mopsi » Thu, Nov 24, 2022, 6:13 AM UTC

notRobot wrote: post #3

I would pay so much money to just be able to use Windows 7's UI with Windows 10's performance improvements. Try spinning Windows 7 up in a VM sometime. Using it is such a wonderous experience. It's almost perfect. I miss it so much. To me, Windows 8/8.1/10/11 have all been massive downgrades to different extents.

You can have at least Win 7 start menu on Win 10: https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu

It's fast, reliable and highly configurable.

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Post by herodoturtle » Thu, Nov 24, 2022, 6:13 AM UTC

notRobot wrote: post #3

I would pay so much money to just be able to use Windows 7's UI with Windows 10's performance improvements. Try spinning Windows 7 up in a VM sometime. Using it is such a wonderous experience. It's almost perfect. I miss it so much. To me, Windows 8/8.1/10/11 have all been massive downgrades to different extents.

Loved this comment.

There was a time when we used to say the same about Windows Xp. And Windows 2000.

I wonder if each next generation of user prefers the new layouts each time?

I’m sure (or at least, I imagine) MS put a lot of resources into testing these UI overhauls.

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Post by Synaesthesia » Thu, Nov 24, 2022, 6:14 AM UTC

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #4

petilon wrote: post #2

This article quotes Jensen Harris... the guy responsible for Windows 8 UI, which was a disaster.

Everyone on Twitter is a critic, thinking their opinion is the right one, and looking for their 5 minutes of fame by shitting on some low hanging fruit for clicks and likes hoping that will lift them out of their anonymity. I can't imagine a great designer like Jonny Ive (not that everything he did was perfect), sinking so low as to shit on Windows's start menu as he probably has bigger fish to fry. Great people don'…

The Windows 8 start menu is fundamental, and it alienated a lot of people, something Apple have never done, they've kept their basic design consistent.