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UK to hand over Chagos back to Mauritius

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Re: UK to hand over Chagos back to Mauritius

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Post by easytiger »

Back? They weren't populated until the British brought them there and were never a Mauritian property. Futhermore the only people who lived there were there as employees of the Chagos Agalega Company. From 1838 onwards. It's like getting a job on an oil rig and demanding you get to keep the rig. The fog of pseudo history written in terms of marxist terminology descends on our civilisation determined to rewrite reality

https://www.uniset.ca/naty/2003EWHC2222.htm

Re: UK to hand over Chagos back to Mauritius

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Post by sterlind »

easytiger wrote: post #2

Back? They weren't populated until the British brought them there and were never a Mauritian property. Futhermore the only people who lived there were there as employees of the Chagos Agalega Company. From 1838 onwards. It's like getting a job on an oil rig and demanding you get to keep the rig. The fog of pseudo history written in terms of marxist terminology descends on our civilisation determined to rewrite realit…

from your own link:

> The abolition of slavery in 1833, and the entitlement of slaves to remain in the colony in which they were freed, meant that many freed slaves had continued to work the plantations.

so slaves worked the plantations on the island before 1838.

and as an aside, what do you mean by Marxist terminology? I didn't see "proletariat" or "bourgeoisie," nor workers seizing the means of production. it's sloppy and lazy to use "Marxism" as a catch-all bogeyman.

Re: UK to hand over Chagos back to Mauritius

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Post by veidr »

mjw1007 wrote: post #3

Note that this is the British Indian Ocean Territory, perhaps best known in these parts for having the .io cctld.

Oh, the TLD that went down for many hours (more than a day IIRC?) that one time a couple years ago — forcing all the companies like the one I work at, who host their own stuff on .io and use statuspage.io, to really scramble... fun times!

This sounds from the article like a great thing — or I mean, at least a partial righting of a historical injustice — but I am also interested to know: does it have any implications for the .io TLD?

Re: UK to hand over Chagos back to Mauritius

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Post by easytiger »

sterlind wrote: post #4
easytiger wrote: post #2

Back? They weren't populated until the British brought them there and were never a Mauritian property. Futhermore the only people who lived there were there as employees of the Chagos Agalega Company. From 1838 onwards. It's like getting a job on an oil rig and demanding you get to keep the rig. The fog of pseudo history written in terms of marxist terminology descends on our civilisation determined to rewrite realit…

from your own link: > The abolition of slavery in 1833, and the entitlement of slaves to remain in the colony in which they were freed, meant that many freed slaves had continued to work the plantations. so slaves worked the plantations on the island before 1838. and as an aside, what do you mean by Marxist terminology? I didn't see "proletariat" or "bourgeoisie," nor workers seizing the means of production. it's slo…

> so slaves worked the plantations on the island before 1838.

Yes, they were freed by the British and compensated in 1833. As they were post removal in 68. 1838 was the year they were working in Chagos on 2 year rolling contracts (as was common for non enslaved people in such businesses prior to 1833).

> so slaves worked the plantations on the island before 1838.

And they were brought there by the british & french mainly. The french & dutch inhabited it first, before any of these people's ancestors.

> and as an aside, what do you mean by Marxist terminology? I didn't see "proletariat" or "bourgeoisie," nor workers seizing the means of production. it's sloppy and lazy to use "Marxism" as a catch-all bogeyman.

Ignoring history by framing everything as a class/exploitation problem rather than looking at what really happened. It's very common to ignore history now and use feelings to assert because someone might have been exploited that overrides reality.

Re: UK to hand over Chagos back to Mauritius

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Post by mytailorisrich »

easytiger wrote: post #2

Back? They weren't populated until the British brought them there and were never a Mauritian property. Futhermore the only people who lived there were there as employees of the Chagos Agalega Company. From 1838 onwards. It's like getting a job on an oil rig and demanding you get to keep the rig. The fog of pseudo history written in terms of marxist terminology descends on our civilisation determined to rewrite realit…

The Chagos were part of Mauritius until the UK split it at independence in order to provide a military base to the US and they expelled the inhabitants in the process...
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