9front “The Golden Age of Ballooning” Released
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#2It's a fork of Plan 9. Previously: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12617036
Re: 9front “The Golden Age of Ballooning” Released
#3Happy to see this getting updated, although it is bittersweet to realize it has a minuscule user base and that the UX will likely never change (the three-button mouse UX simply isn’t a good fit for today’s laptops).
Re: 9front “The Golden Age of Ballooning” Released
#4Happy to see this getting updated, although it is bittersweet to realize it has a minuscule user base and that the UX will likely never change (the three-button mouse UX simply isn’t a good fit for today’s laptops).
>UX simply isn’t a good fit for today’s laptops
Maybe you just have the wrong laptops ;)
Re: 9front “The Golden Age of Ballooning” Released
#5Happy to see this getting updated, although it is bittersweet to realize it has a minuscule user base and that the UX will likely never change (the three-button mouse UX simply isn’t a good fit for today’s laptops).
I don’t know how people use trackpads for anything but causal use anyway, even on a Mac I find them to be a constant strain on my psyche compared to using my mouse- I always have one on me if I have my laptop
Re: 9front “The Golden Age of Ballooning” Released
#6Happy to see this getting updated, although it is bittersweet to realize it has a minuscule user base and that the UX will likely never change (the three-button mouse UX simply isn’t a good fit for today’s laptops).
I don’t know how people use trackpads for anything but causal use anyway, even on a Mac I find them to be a constant strain on my psyche compared to using my mouse- I always have one on me if I have my laptop
Clickpads are horrible, but touchpads aren't so bad when they have tactile buttons. That's why I always print some for mine.
Re: 9front “The Golden Age of Ballooning” Released
#7Happy to see this getting updated, although it is bittersweet to realize it has a minuscule user base and that the UX will likely never change (the three-button mouse UX simply isn’t a good fit for today’s laptops).
I'd say the UI/UX actually isn't that good, period. "Everything is actually really a file this time", plumbing, acme and rio are all very cool and powerful concepts, as is the idea that we shouldn't have to care about silly old TTY intricacies and that the mouse should be a first class citizen in our tools.
However, the window management feels rather cumbersome and not offering decent keyboard navigation and shortcuts as a complement to chording is, to me, the single most annoying "feature", laptop or not.
Re: 9front “The Golden Age of Ballooning” Released
#8Happy to see this getting updated, although it is bittersweet to realize it has a minuscule user base and that the UX will likely never change (the three-button mouse UX simply isn’t a good fit for today’s laptops).
I'd say the UI/UX actually isn't that good, period. "Everything is actually really a file this time", plumbing, acme and rio are all very cool and powerful concepts, as is the idea that we shouldn't have to care about silly old TTY intricacies and that the mouse should be a first class citizen in our tools. However, the window management feels rather cumbersome and not offering decent keyboard navigation and shortcut…
Is it an inherent flaw in 9front or could it be fixed with an input router?
Re: 9front “The Golden Age of Ballooning” Released
#9Happy to see this getting updated, although it is bittersweet to realize it has a minuscule user base and that the UX will likely never change (the three-button mouse UX simply isn’t a good fit for today’s laptops).
>UX simply isn’t a good fit for today’s laptops Maybe you just have the wrong laptops ;)
Members of the 9front dev-community have recommended the MNT Reform.
Re: 9front “The Golden Age of Ballooning” Released
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'd say the UI/UX actually isn't that good, period. "Everything is actually really a file this time", plumbing, acme and rio are all very cool and powerful concepts, as is the idea that we shouldn't have to care about silly old TTY intricacies and that the mouse should be a first class citizen in our tools. However, the window management feels rather cumbersome and not offering decent keyboard navigation and shortcut…
Is it an inherent flaw in 9front or could it be fixed with an input router?
I'm not sure what an input router is, but the concept of mouse chording is absolutely an inherent property of Plan 9/9front and Acme. To the best of my knowledge you cannot mark, cut, copy or paste text at all using the keyboard. Copying is especially cumbersome and involves a three-button chord in conjunction with some precision pointing (first to mark the text, then to where you want it pasted).
I'm sure this could be implemented using keystrokes as well and the source code is of course available. However, I doubt such a change would be accepted upstream. You could say it's a central point in the "Plan 9 philosophy".