Esther Dyson vs Bill Campbell: 2002 − 2012
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Esther Dyson vs Bill Campbell: 2002 − 2012
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Re: Esther Dyson vs Bill Campbell: 2002 − 2012
#2In the interest of being completely fair to Dyson, I'm not sure anyone could have fully predicted just how bad of a regime Putin's would be. That said it seems like a long shot just the same.
Re: Esther Dyson vs Bill Campbell: 2002 − 2012
#3In the interest of being completely fair to Dyson, I'm not sure anyone could have fully predicted just how bad of a regime Putin's would be. That said it seems like a long shot just the same.
Exactly... the political and economic institutions of Russia have not progressed and have likely regressed in the last 10 years. Who led Russia in 2002? Putin. Who is leading Russia in 2011/12? Still Putin and United Russia. The Litvinenko killing and Khodorkovsky imprisonment are chilling indictments of this regression. Also the run up of energy and commodity prices has only increased the allure and hold of the Dutch disease in Russia.
Re: Esther Dyson vs Bill Campbell: 2002 − 2012
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Re: Esther Dyson vs Bill Campbell: 2002 − 2012
#5People tend to assume that in today's era, progress is inevitable. The is a dramatic illustration to the contrary. Progress depends on a stable, pro-business system of government. Which, in turn, depends on a certain kind of underlying culture. (This is why I find Occupy Wall Street threatening.)
Re: Esther Dyson vs Bill Campbell: 2002 − 2012
#6In the interest of being completely fair to Dyson, I'm not sure anyone could have fully predicted just how bad of a regime Putin's would be. That said it seems like a long shot just the same.
Exactly... the political and economic institutions of Russia have not progressed and have likely regressed in the last 10 years. Who led Russia in 2002? Putin. Who is leading Russia in 2011/12? Still Putin and United Russia. The Litvinenko killing and Khodorkovsky imprisonment are chilling indictments of this regression. Also the run up of energy and commodity prices has only increased the allure and hold of the Dutc…
Hrm ... interesting thought: is a market dependent on financial services analogous to one dependent on natural resources?
Particularly if those financial services are extractive in nature?
Re: Esther Dyson vs Bill Campbell: 2002 − 2012
#7People tend to assume that in today's era, progress is inevitable. The is a dramatic illustration to the contrary. Progress depends on a stable, pro-business system of government. Which, in turn, depends on a certain kind of underlying culture. (This is why I find Occupy Wall Street threatening.)
OWS is a protest movement, the core of which is against corporations buying laws. The corporations do this because they want to protect their inefficient business models by enshrining their way of doing things into law. For example, content owners wish to censor the internet so they can keep selling consumers crap, while banks wish to tax everybody when they make a loss on their trades.
OWS is not anti-business, it is anti-corruption, and there's few things more damaging to progress than corruption.
Re: Esther Dyson vs Bill Campbell: 2002 − 2012
#8People tend to assume that in today's era, progress is inevitable. The is a dramatic illustration to the contrary. Progress depends on a stable, pro-business system of government. Which, in turn, depends on a certain kind of underlying culture. (This is why I find Occupy Wall Street threatening.)
OWS is a protest movement, the core of which is against corporations buying laws. The corporations do this because they want to protect their inefficient business models by enshrining their way of doing things into law. For example, content owners wish to censor the internet so they can keep selling consumers crap, while banks wish to tax everybody when they make a loss on their trades. OWS is not anti-business, it i…
You would never know that based on the signs being waved and the t-shirts being worn.
Re: Esther Dyson vs Bill Campbell: 2002 − 2012
#9In the interest of being completely fair to Dyson, I'm not sure anyone could have fully predicted just how bad of a regime Putin's would be. That said it seems like a long shot just the same.
Political change must go hand in hand with cultural change. It is easy to blame a democratically elected leader, yet quite difficult to identify the underlying problems of those who elected that leader to power.
Russia is decades ahead of other countries, but they have a long path ahead of them. A good start would be teaching English in elementary school.
Re: Esther Dyson vs Bill Campbell: 2002 − 2012
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
OWS is a protest movement, the core of which is against corporations buying laws. The corporations do this because they want to protect their inefficient business models by enshrining their way of doing things into law. For example, content owners wish to censor the internet so they can keep selling consumers crap, while banks wish to tax everybody when they make a loss on their trades. OWS is not anti-business, it i…
You would never know that based on the signs being waved and the t-shirts being worn.
There wouldn't be the protests and signs being waved if corporations couldn't buy laws.