I will now send this to beginner programmers

#1

Post by headline » Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 4:24 AM UTC

A look at a common issue I see beginner devs go through. Probably the thing that weeds the most people out of development.

I will now send this to beginner programmers
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Post by na85 » Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 5:04 AM UTC

>Chat room helpers often will try and lead you to discover the right answer yourself. It may feel frustrating, but play their game and you will learn. This is the discussion level of the pyramid.

I fucking hate this so much. You spend hours trawling through Google search results and finally decide the answer isn't out there. Stack overflow is caustic so you don't want to ask there. Hop on IRC and ask "how do I do X?" and now you have to deal with a bunch of "well what happens if you do ?"

Fucking answer the question or don't offer yourself as a helper.

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Post by CGamesPlay » Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 5:13 AM UTC

na85 wrote: post #2

>Chat room helpers often will try and lead you to discover the right answer yourself. It may feel frustrating, but play their game and you will learn. This is the discussion level of the pyramid. I fucking hate this so much. You spend hours trawling through Google search results and finally decide the answer isn't out there. Stack overflow is caustic so you don't want to ask there. Hop on IRC and ask "how do I do X?"…

Absolutely not. If you've actually done the research that leads the knowledge gatekeeper to ask these, these questions are easy for you to answer. If you haven't then you're wasting their time.

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Post by braingenious » Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 5:14 AM UTC

I like how the percentages add up to 280%

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#5

Post by 878654Tom » Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 5:14 AM UTC

na85 wrote: post #2

>Chat room helpers often will try and lead you to discover the right answer yourself. It may feel frustrating, but play their game and you will learn. This is the discussion level of the pyramid. I fucking hate this so much. You spend hours trawling through Google search results and finally decide the answer isn't out there. Stack overflow is caustic so you don't want to ask there. Hop on IRC and ask "how do I do X?"…

The question you ask is quite broad so the answer you'll receive will be broad as well.

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Post by craz8 » Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 5:17 AM UTC

na85 wrote: post #2

>Chat room helpers often will try and lead you to discover the right answer yourself. It may feel frustrating, but play their game and you will learn. This is the discussion level of the pyramid. I fucking hate this so much. You spend hours trawling through Google search results and finally decide the answer isn't out there. Stack overflow is caustic so you don't want to ask there. Hop on IRC and ask "how do I do X?"…

I’m new to Clojure, coming from Ruby and C and Pascal - there is no way I’m am leading myself to use ‘juxt’ and possibly combining it with ‘into {}’ (ruby’s each_with_object gets you close, but it’s not as powerful)

There are a bunch of paradigms that are really useful, but you can’t get to from here without specific help or examples

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Post by MarcelOlsz » Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 5:18 AM UTC

na85 wrote: post #2

>Chat room helpers often will try and lead you to discover the right answer yourself. It may feel frustrating, but play their game and you will learn. This is the discussion level of the pyramid. I fucking hate this so much. You spend hours trawling through Google search results and finally decide the answer isn't out there. Stack overflow is caustic so you don't want to ask there. Hop on IRC and ask "how do I do X?"…

If it wasn't for #startups people spending hours holding my stupid hand through mundane problems for hours I would be nowhere and likely homeless. Imagine being able to frequent a pub with super smart people ready to help at any given time. IRC is/was that.

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 5:20 AM UTC

na85 wrote: post #2

>Chat room helpers often will try and lead you to discover the right answer yourself. It may feel frustrating, but play their game and you will learn. This is the discussion level of the pyramid. I fucking hate this so much. You spend hours trawling through Google search results and finally decide the answer isn't out there. Stack overflow is caustic so you don't want to ask there. Hop on IRC and ask "how do I do X?"…

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Post by elcomet » Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 5:20 AM UTC

How is there a text and a link in this HN post ? I thought it was only possible to have one of them.

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Post by richard0 » Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 5:21 AM UTC

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