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Don’t call it a comeback: Java is still champ

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Re: Don’t call it a comeback: Java is still champ

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Post by jayd16 »

rr808 wrote: post #2

I've ditched Spring, am using Vert.x with Java 17, reactive & functional styles, records. Seems like a completely different language. If only project Loom will get out there so I wont be coding everything like Javascript I'd be happy. :)

Hmm Javascript has async though, no?

Re: Don’t call it a comeback: Java is still champ

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Post by falcolas »

Java's adequate. It's like a Toyota Corolla (insert your boring car of choice here if you don't feel this one works for the analogy). Not the prettiest, not the fastest, not the most efficient. But it gets you from point A to point B with little fuss or muss. I totally get why companies adopt and standardize on it.

Do I use it for personal projects? Nope. Because it's not fun to "drive". For that, I pick the equivalent of a Mazda Miata (insert exciting car of choice), which for me is usually a Lisp.

Re: Don’t call it a comeback: Java is still champ

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Post by thex10 »

Being taught intro Java in high school (mid 2000s for me) was excruciatingly boring and caused me to write off majoring in computer science or working as a programmer.

Today I'm a software engineer with experience in JavaScript, Ruby, Python, Elixir... maybe it's time for me to give Java another try.

Re: Don’t call it a comeback: Java is still champ

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Post by 5e92cb50239222b »

jayd16 wrote: post #3
rr808 wrote: post #2

I've ditched Spring, am using Vert.x with Java 17, reactive & functional styles, records. Seems like a completely different language. If only project Loom will get out there so I wont be coding everything like Javascript I'd be happy. :)

Hmm Javascript has async though, no?

That's exactly what was meant. With Loom Java will hopefully not have the same function split as languages like JavaScript (or C# for that matter) where you have to add lots of async/await everywhere; and instead will have something like Go (where everything is async).

https://journal.stuffwithstuff.com/2015/02/01/what-color-is-...

Re: Don’t call it a comeback: Java is still champ

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Post by vbezhenar »

5e92cb50239222b wrote: post #8
jayd16 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hmm Javascript has async though, no?

That's exactly what was meant. With Loom Java will hopefully not have the same function split as languages like JavaScript (or C# for that matter) where you have to add lots of async/await everywhere; and instead will have something like Go (where everything is async). https://journal.stuffwithstuff.com/2015/02/01/what-color-is-...

Async stuff in JavaScript light years ahead of Java's Future madness. Loom might help but I'm not optimistic about it. For example Spring already kind of deprecated blocking http web client and new reactive WebClient is terrible. Will they create yet another BlockingWebClient? No they'll ask you to call `block` everywhere and write reactive nonsense filters if you need to enhance it.

Spring is worst thing happened with Java.

Re: Don’t call it a comeback: Java is still champ

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Post by NoSorryCannot »

falcolas wrote: post #5

Java's adequate. It's like a Toyota Corolla (insert your boring car of choice here if you don't feel this one works for the analogy). Not the prettiest, not the fastest, not the most efficient. But it gets you from point A to point B with little fuss or muss. I totally get why companies adopt and standardize on it. Do I use it for personal projects? Nope. Because it's not fun to "drive". For that, I pick the equivale…

Whoever invented the car analogy should pay for what they did.
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