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Launch HN: Taro (YC S22): Private career growth community for software engineers

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Launch HN: Taro (YC S22): Private career growth community for software engineers

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Hi HN! We’re Rahul and Alex from Taro (https://jointaro.com, https://app.jointaro.com/demo). We help software engineers get onboarded and promoted faster.

Career growth depends on having a good manager and support group, but finding someone who advocates for you is challenging. Especially in a post-pandemic world, where many of our working hours are spent in isolation, we’ve lost many of the hallway conversations + quick insights that are critical to success in large organizations.

Alex and I have spent our careers at companies like Meta, Pinterest, Robinhood, and Course Hero, eventually landing Staff+ IC and management positions. Despite spending more than a decade in tech, we still stumbled our way through our career: choosing a team, understanding how perf review actually works, and finding a career path. We’ve had our share of good and bad managers, and we’ve also personally mentored dozens of engineers. (Interesting stat: the average engineer at Meta gets a new manager every 1.2 years!) During the pandemic, we started giving free talks about SWE career growth, explaining what we wish we knew earlier. These livestreams routinely got 500+ concurrent viewers, and our community ballooned to 40K software engineers who were looking to understand promotion and influence as an engineer.

We spent weeks talking to 100s of engineers and discovered that their career bottleneck was not coding ability, but all the other _stuff_ that is essential for software engineering. For example, as a mid-level backend engineer, how does my path to senior get impacted if I switch to Android dev? A product manager added a last minute requirement on my project which may cause the deadline to slip – how do I handle the fallout? Engineers often neglect these topics (project selection, effective communication, perf review) which leads to career stagnation and frustration.

For many engineers, the current resources available online are overwhelmingly irrelevant: they’re about learning a new web framework, or Leetcoding to switch jobs. If you’re at an established, fast-moving tech company, these resources won’t help with career advancement. Instead, the highest leverage activity is to learn from peers + veterans in similar companies.

Taro is the product that emerged from our community: a Q&A database from real engineers, where content is tagged by company + level. We also adopted the "case study" model where an engineer or manager discusses a specific story of how they ramped up or landed a promotion-worthy project. This kind of info is difficult to come by unless you know the right people within the company. Taro allows you to get personalized help for your situation, while also learning from the questions + answers of others.

We make money by charging software engineers directly for full access to the Q&A database, plus the ability to ask their own questions. We currently have 100+ Taro Premium members from companies like Meta, Google, TikTok, and Amazon, along with thousands of free users. We designed Taro for full time engineers at fast-moving tech companies – it’s not a good fit for freelancers or students who are still exploring software engineering.

Checkout a quick demo of Taro: https://youtu.be/nMgUciFPJMs

Feel free to browse through https://app.jointaro.com. We’d love to know what resources you’ve used for career growth. Thanks for your feedback!

Re: Launch HN: Taro (YC S22): Private career growth community for software engineers

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I know nobody wants to do the "software engineers vs engineers" debate again, but even if we are going come down on the "programmers are software engineers" side of that debate, a site which exclusively serves software engineers shouldn't advertise itself as for engineers generally. I was excited to see what EE's would be chit-chatting about. :(

As a suggestion -- it might make sense to put a link to your demo page right near the top of your main 'jointaro' site somewhere, it did a good job of showing what the value proposition is.

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I know nobody wants to do the "software engineers vs engineers" debate again, but even if we are going come down on the "programmers are software engineers" side of that debate, a site which exclusively serves software engineers shouldn't advertise itself as for engineers generally. I was excited to see what EE's would be chit-chatting about. :( As a suggestion -- it might make sense to put a link to your demo page r…

Yeah I agree. Even though I do work in software, when I read the post title I thought general engineering (civil, mechanical, electrical, etc.). In fact, I didn't even initially think software engineering at all.

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very cool product - congrats!

do you ever wonder if similar to the college application process, trying to "gamify" the promotion process doesn't actually lead to a competitive company?

to be more clear, do you think that by training people to think of trying to get promoted as something they need to learn, rather than come by naturally, we're teaching people to follow XYZ funnel in order to attain ABC goal, at the expense of promoting people naturally?

the reason i mention the college application process is because it's clear that's what that accomplishes today, as someone who recently went through it. there's a set of predefined formulas that can get you into an elite school, and they become more and more limited in scope as you become more and more limited demographic-wise, so everyone "learns" from prep academies, consultantnts, etc., the _exact_ right way to structure your application to get in.

i still feel like i'm not clear, so i'll rephrase it as, do you think this sort of "teaching" leads to the right people getting promoted/accepted for the company/college (for long-term success)?

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I know nobody wants to do the "software engineers vs engineers" debate again, but even if we are going come down on the "programmers are software engineers" side of that debate, a site which exclusively serves software engineers shouldn't advertise itself as for engineers generally. I was excited to see what EE's would be chit-chatting about. :( As a suggestion -- it might make sense to put a link to your demo page r…

Agreed that there's an important distinction between engineers generally vs software engineers. Hard to fit everything in the 80 characters for the title -- I hope the first line makes it clear.

Thanks for the suggestion on surfacing the demo page more prominently, we definitely want to do better with embedding the actual content in the landing page.

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Excited to see Taro on the front page of HN. I’m just finishing up my first internship at a Big Tech Co and the advice and discussions I’ve seen from Rahul/Alex were extremely valuable in helping me perform well.

I feel somewhat connected to the product in a weird way in that I went through the non profit Codepaths interview prep summer course which is where I heard about Rahul and seems to solve a somewhat similar pain point in that outside of the interview prep piece it allowed me to make connections and receive mentorship from experienced engineers that was incredibly valuable

Another company that I love that scratched that same itch was Hackpack. They charge a monthly membership fee and it's centered around interview prep but the main value I got from being part of the program was deep connections and mentorship with experienced engineers.

I have some small user feedback with a sample size of 1. I love the content that you guys create and consume the majority of the blogs/youtube videos/linkedIn posts but don't use the app much. Content I consume on my phone is almost exclusively hackernews, reddit and youtube. I'm not sure what the blocker is but it is strange to me that given how much I enjoy the content that I don't use the app more.

Congrats on the launch post and wish you both the best!

Re: Launch HN: Taro (YC S22): Private career growth community for software engineers

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post #4

very cool product - congrats! do you ever wonder if similar to the college application process, trying to "gamify" the promotion process doesn't actually lead to a competitive company? to be more clear, do you think that by training people to think of trying to get promoted as something they need to learn, rather than come by naturally, we're teaching people to follow XYZ funnel in order to attain ABC goal, at the ex…

Thanks for the feedback and great question!

There are definitely more toxic ways to get promoted, "gamifying" the process like you said. The prime example is playing infamous corporate politics, providing the perception of doing great work without actually doing it. I hate those kinds of games (I saw it ruin various orgs I've been on across my ~8 years working in Silicon Valley), and because of that, Taro isn't a product to teach software engineers how to play politics and other tricks.

On the flip side, we really do believe that promotion, especially in the more innovative, modern tech companies, has many components stemming from actual growth. While Meta was far from perfect, I largely felt like promotion pushed me to develop skills that genuinely made me a better software engineer and person to work with. I learned to empathize with other parties, especially those who weren't in engineering, and factor in their perspectives when building alignment on projects. I learned to think proactively, clamping down risks early instead of letting them blow up the project and team later on down the road. I learned to work through others, mentoring more junior engineers, and taking on responsibility for their well-being. The even cooler thing is that I found myself applying those skills outside of work as well: I became a better listener and got better at hectic life activities like vacation planning.

Taro is a product meant to teach those kinds of aforementioned, more "wholesome" skills, and Rahul and I have historically found it hard to find guidance to learn those skills. I didn't start seriously building those deeper behaviors until I rolled some incredible managers ~5 years into my career. We believe that this kind of learning should be far more accessible, and by doing so, we can help empower a workforce that's far more productive and positive.

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Excited to see Taro on the front page of HN. I’m just finishing up my first internship at a Big Tech Co and the advice and discussions I’ve seen from Rahul/Alex were extremely valuable in helping me perform well. I feel somewhat connected to the product in a weird way in that I went through the non profit Codepaths interview prep summer course which is where I heard about Rahul and seems to solve a somewhat similar p…

Thanks so much for the great feedback and consuming our content! The Taro app definitely has a long way to go, and we're also investing a lot into the web app right now as we know that a lot of folks prefer to consume professional content on their desktop.

Taro is very early, and we know that a lot of product right now sucks. If you or anyone else here has any feedback, we're all ears at team@jointaro.com!

Re: Launch HN: Taro (YC S22): Private career growth community for software engineers

#10
I think this is a great idea and look forward to joining. I keep seeing others stumble on the "coding isn't all you need" kink in the carpet, and I'm personally trying to get all the help I can navigating a move to Big Tech Inc., where I'm having some challenges.

It seems like it will fill a niche that's left unfulfilled by communities like Blind which are... let's say "cynical".

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