Ditching the Semantic Web
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Ditching the Semantic Web
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Re: Ditching the Semantic Web
#2Maybe it would be better if we try a more top down approach generating data semantically?
Re: Ditching the Semantic Web
#3this perspective is 2 years older than this post... even RDF people agree that the semantic web lower case is taking hold
Re: Ditching the Semantic Web
#4no mechanism that allows or even requires content authors to create their own metadata will ever take off. lets go back in time to 1996 and look at the meta tag. the idea was that people would describe pages with terms like "cancer research" or "fly fishing" but instead used terms like "pussy cunt fuck cum orgy". why? because people figured out very quickly what people were looking for on the web and crafted meta tag keyphrases apprpriately
the whole point of quality search engines like google is to circumvent this garbage....i.e. circumvent the semantic web
microformats just moves the problem into a new area of the text. another flop.
Re: Ditching the Semantic Web
#5no mechanism that allows or even requires content authors to create their own metadata will ever take off. lets go back in time to 1996 and look at the meta tag. the idea was that people would describe pages with terms like "cancer research" or "fly fishing" but instead used terms like "pussy cunt fuck cum orgy". why? because people figured out very quickly what people were looking for on the web and crafted meta tag…
no mechanism that allows or even requires content authors to create their own metadata will ever take off.
That's (mostly) true if there's no trust model. Once you insert some sort of trust or authorization model, this problem gets mitigated pretty quickly. The most obvious counterexample to your point is the rich ecosystem of API-based mashups. Mashups exist as integration points for multiple content sources where content authors provide their own metadata.
While there's a lot of talk these days about the idea of "semantic search engines," most practical uses of the semantic web are actually just souped up mashups -- solutions to integration problems combined with some lightweight AI.
Re: Ditching the Semantic Web
#6no mechanism that allows or even requires content authors to create their own metadata will ever take off. lets go back in time to 1996 and look at the meta tag. the idea was that people would describe pages with terms like "cancer research" or "fly fishing" but instead used terms like "pussy cunt fuck cum orgy". why? because people figured out very quickly what people were looking for on the web and crafted meta tag…
no mechanism that allows or even requires content authors to create their own metadata will ever take off. That's (mostly) true if there's no trust model. Once you insert some sort of trust or authorization model, this problem gets mitigated pretty quickly. The most obvious counterexample to your point is the rich ecosystem of API-based mashups. Mashups exist as integration points for multiple content sources where c…
Even disregarding the authentication aspect, there's laziness. People (at least myself, and I presume many/most others) can't be arsed to take the time to add tags that nobody will ever really see. It's a whole lot of work to tag more than the minimum.
Re: Ditching the Semantic Web
#7no mechanism that allows or even requires content authors to create their own metadata will ever take off. lets go back in time to 1996 and look at the meta tag. the idea was that people would describe pages with terms like "cancer research" or "fly fishing" but instead used terms like "pussy cunt fuck cum orgy". why? because people figured out very quickly what people were looking for on the web and crafted meta tag…
no mechanism that allows or even requires content authors to create their own metadata will ever take off. That's (mostly) true if there's no trust model. Once you insert some sort of trust or authorization model, this problem gets mitigated pretty quickly. The most obvious counterexample to your point is the rich ecosystem of API-based mashups. Mashups exist as integration points for multiple content sources where c…
That's (mostly) true if there's no trust model
there isn't one.
Re: Ditching the Semantic Web
#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
no mechanism that allows or even requires content authors to create their own metadata will ever take off. That's (mostly) true if there's no trust model. Once you insert some sort of trust or authorization model, this problem gets mitigated pretty quickly. The most obvious counterexample to your point is the rich ecosystem of API-based mashups. Mashups exist as integration points for multiple content sources where c…
That's (mostly) true if there's no trust model there isn't one.
there isn't one.
That's about as true for mashups as it is for the semantic web; in both cases, there is not an "official" trust model used across the web, though it's obviously possible for semantic web providers to do what every other API provider does and simply use their reputation. For example, what makes you trust the data you get from any API at all, if not for the provider's reputation? I do agree that there should be a more uniform approach in order to get wide usage of the technology beyond the enterprise, academia, and medicine.
This apparent lack of an official trust model won't be the case for long with POWDER [1] on the horizon. POWDER is on its way to becoming a ratified W3C standard and it makes steps to address the idea of a "web of trust." Who knows what kind of traction this will get in the near term, but I think it's a step in the right direction.
Re: Ditching the Semantic Web
#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's (mostly) true if there's no trust model there isn't one.
there isn't one. That's about as true for mashups as it is for the semantic web; in both cases, there is not an "official" trust model used across the web, though it's obviously possible for semantic web providers to do what every other API provider does and simply use their reputation. For example, what makes you trust the data you get from any API at all, if not for the provider's reputation? I do agree that there…
Right, but who trusts the W3C? ;-)
Re: Ditching the Semantic Web
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
there isn't one. That's about as true for mashups as it is for the semantic web; in both cases, there is not an "official" trust model used across the web, though it's obviously possible for semantic web providers to do what every other API provider does and simply use their reputation. For example, what makes you trust the data you get from any API at all, if not for the provider's reputation? I do agree that there…
Right, but who trusts the W3C? ;-)
hehe, good question :P