Hell freezes over: Forrester urges IT to support the Mac
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Hell freezes over: Forrester urges IT to support the Mac
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Re: Hell freezes over: Forrester urges IT to support the Mac
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Re: Hell freezes over: Forrester urges IT to support the Mac
#3I know I (as someone in charge of a campus) and others I know in the same position are really considering a migration to Mac
The problem with Windows 8 and Metro is Microsoft's upending things to the point where Windows doesn't resemble its own standard anymore. Windows 8 is as much a culture shift as the Mac would be.
Beyond that just about every corporate app has gone web based at this point. Only the oldest code bases are still Windows (and it's so old that it runs perfectly fine in a virtual box). So there are no apps to keep us on Windows.
So now that the question isn't "should we change" it becomes "which platform is superior" and I think most would choose the Mac in that comparison. I know (as the article says) most users feel that way.
As crazy as it seems we might finally be at the end of the Windows era.
Re: Hell freezes over: Forrester urges IT to support the Mac
#4One of the two main cited reasons people prefer Macs was this:
> Many of today's corporate PCs are saddled with management, backup, and security agents that can bog down a PC. Employees want their PCs to boot in 10 seconds, not 10 minutes...They're drawn to uncluttered Macs...
I don't see how this shows superiority of Mac over PC; presumably if the Mac were running this software it would have these problems too.
Re: Hell freezes over: Forrester urges IT to support the Mac
#5> The voice of Windows in the enterprise discovers that Mac users are more productive
Because the standard-issue corporate Windows laptops are locked down, running Windows XP with IE6.
Re: Hell freezes over: Forrester urges IT to support the Mac
#6One of the two main cited reasons people prefer Macs was this: > Many of today's corporate PCs are saddled with management, backup, and security agents that can bog down a PC. Employees want their PCs to boot in 10 seconds, not 10 minutes...They're drawn to uncluttered Macs... I don't see how this shows superiority of Mac over PC; presumably if the Mac were running this software it would have these problems too.
The difference: when you use a Mac, you don't need that software.
- You don't need to run third party antivirus or antispyware software on the client, only on your mail server (to protect Windows users if you forward Windows executables). OS X has built-in malware protection.
- You don't need third party management software, you can use NetInstall/NetBoot or ARD.
- Using NetBoot also solves the backup problem on the client, even though OS X does have built-in backup and recovery solutions built-in (Time Machine, Versions).
In other words, there are no add-on services needed that would bog down the system.
Re: Hell freezes over: Forrester urges IT to support the Mac
#7One of the two main cited reasons people prefer Macs was this: > Many of today's corporate PCs are saddled with management, backup, and security agents that can bog down a PC. Employees want their PCs to boot in 10 seconds, not 10 minutes...They're drawn to uncluttered Macs... I don't see how this shows superiority of Mac over PC; presumably if the Mac were running this software it would have these problems too.
The difference: when you use a Mac, you don't need that software. - You don't need to run third party antivirus or antispyware software on the client, only on your mail server (to protect Windows users if you forward Windows executables). OS X has built-in malware protection. - You don't need third party management software, you can use NetInstall/NetBoot or ARD. - Using NetBoot also solves the backup problem on the…
I'm pretty sure Macs still need to be backed up and managed.
And probably need securing from various perspectives.
Re: Hell freezes over: Forrester urges IT to support the Mac
#8One of the two main cited reasons people prefer Macs was this: > Many of today's corporate PCs are saddled with management, backup, and security agents that can bog down a PC. Employees want their PCs to boot in 10 seconds, not 10 minutes...They're drawn to uncluttered Macs... I don't see how this shows superiority of Mac over PC; presumably if the Mac were running this software it would have these problems too.
The difference: when you use a Mac, you don't need that software. - You don't need to run third party antivirus or antispyware software on the client, only on your mail server (to protect Windows users if you forward Windows executables). OS X has built-in malware protection. - You don't need third party management software, you can use NetInstall/NetBoot or ARD. - Using NetBoot also solves the backup problem on the…
I'm also pretty sure that once MacOS starts becoming prevalent in the enterprise, they'll eventually need antivirus, back up agents, and some sort of management agent as well.
How would an IT organization manage the settings on the OS without some sort of management agent?
Re: Hell freezes over: Forrester urges IT to support the Mac
#9I find myself agreeing with their recommendation, even though I disagree with their rationale.
Agreeing to let "HEROES" use Macs in an enterprise (and dear god what a terrible term, as if us Mac users weren't smug enough) seems to be basically capitulating to entitlement.
At my last company, when Mac OS X first shipped, I wanted to try it out, so I bought an iBook (the cheapest entry to the world of Macs, in case I ended up not liking it). People in my office were horrified, and I was forbidden from attaching it to our network (lest its cooties infect our other systems).
Over the course of about 6 months, I was eventually allowed to connect it. I had a coworker who continuously ran a vulnerability scanner against it, telling me that if it ever found anything, I'd have to remove it from the network forever (the handful of unpatched Windows boxes on the network weren't a concern, apparently).
Within a year, there were four or five other Macs in my group. Within two years, every single person had one.
At my current job, after complaining for two years about how awful my P.O.S. Dell laptop was I got an email from my boss about a month ago. It said "We're getting you a new laptop. Do you want a Thinkpad T520 or a Macbook Pro?".
I thought he was messing with me at first, but no, it turns out Macs were now OK for us to use as testing laptops.
I will say that in 11 years of going on-site to clients to do security assessments, I have only once encountered a company that had a non-trivial amount of Macs on their network. Over the years, I'd run into a graphic arts department here or there that had a few Macs, but in general, they were a rounding error for the large enterprise clients I deal with.
Re: Hell freezes over: Forrester urges IT to support the Mac
#10One of the two main cited reasons people prefer Macs was this: > Many of today's corporate PCs are saddled with management, backup, and security agents that can bog down a PC. Employees want their PCs to boot in 10 seconds, not 10 minutes...They're drawn to uncluttered Macs... I don't see how this shows superiority of Mac over PC; presumably if the Mac were running this software it would have these problems too.
The difference: when you use a Mac, you don't need that software. - You don't need to run third party antivirus or antispyware software on the client, only on your mail server (to protect Windows users if you forward Windows executables). OS X has built-in malware protection. - You don't need third party management software, you can use NetInstall/NetBoot or ARD. - Using NetBoot also solves the backup problem on the…
Macs in the enterprise don't need management, backup or security software? You're fucking around, right?
Even in my personal limited deployment of macs, they're managed by joining the domain and ssh access. They're backed up with a combination of rsync and a home-rolled login hook/git solution. Given the recent malware hitting the internet for macs, our aggressive firewalling already doesn't cut it for security.
Once they're no longer flying under the radar, they're going to become saddled with aggressive business requirements or not be adopted (without AD support, they wouldn't have the limited corporate adoption they already do). As much as you might like to tell yourself macs are free-wheeling will never get that burden, they're already in my directory. Every time a problem comes up, they're going to continue to lose their purity, one GPO at a time.
edit: after re-reading your post and some of the others in the thread you seem to be saying they don't need 3rd party tools. Nether does a windows domain. Sometimes we find we want more functionality though. Apple first parties different areas for the mac, and thats good, but you're still eventually going to need to leave the garden. Frankly their 1st-party security sucks, I'm glad to see they're putting a lot of effort into building up that area of their company, but as far as I'm concerned their current offering is about as good as no security.