Chat control: EU Commission presents mass surveillance plan on May 11
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Re: Chat control: EU Commission presents mass surveillance plan on May 11
#2If EU really wants to curb risk to children:
-significantly raise the penalty for sexual child abuse
-provide clinics and medications for people with this mental disease
Re: Chat control: EU Commission presents mass surveillance plan on May 11
#3Governments are not our friends. Ostensibly they're supposed to be tools to check powerful interests. In reality, the larger the governing body the more they work for the powerful.
The EU passes a bunch of token privacy regulations, but then tries to force mass surveillance.
It's all a control scheme. Never believe the government are the 'good guys.'
Re: Chat control: EU Commission presents mass surveillance plan on May 11
#4> This will require them to monitor and scan the communications of citizens en masse – even if they are still securely encrypted end-to-end so far.
how does this work though? Or do they want to force communication services to have backdoor into their encryption technology?
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#5Ah the classic "But think of the children" appeal...
Anybody know how this will impact proton?
Re: Chat control: EU Commission presents mass surveillance plan on May 11
#6I don't understand who wants this. does any of their actual constituency want it? Or is it literally just the actual elected officials getting power hungry?
Stuff like abortion, etc where I don't really understand the other side. I've at least met real people who are pro life.
I've never met the people who want these clownish surveillance things but they keep coming up anyways.
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#7> This will require them to monitor and scan the communications of citizens en masse – even if they are still securely encrypted end-to-end so far. how does this work though? Or do they want to force communication services to have backdoor into their encryption technology?
You could program the clients to look for blacklisted URLs or picture hashes or whatever and still have end to end encryption I guess. Would defeat the point though and the eavesdropping could just aswell be on the server with no end to end encryption.
Re: Chat control: EU Commission presents mass surveillance plan on May 11
#8Governments are not our friends. Ostensibly they're supposed to be tools to check powerful interests. In reality, the larger the governing body the more they work for the powerful. The EU passes a bunch of token privacy regulations, but then tries to force mass surveillance. It's all a control scheme. Never believe the government are the 'good guys.'
Needlessly cynical. Human organizations of all kinds have problems, including governments. If you don't believe that government can ever function in a manner intended by the people it nominally represents, then everything is hopeless, since we (the vast majority of people) were also screwed over without representative government. I don't agree that one needs to conclude this. You can believe in government at the same time as believing that it sometimes (often!) screws up and/or is the subject of regulatory capture.
Re: Chat control: EU Commission presents mass surveillance plan on May 11
#9> This will require them to monitor and scan the communications of citizens en masse – even if they are still securely encrypted end-to-end so far. how does this work though? Or do they want to force communication services to have backdoor into their encryption technology?
Afaik the legislation will force communication service providers (WhatsApp, MSN Messenger, ...) to scan any chat message for illegal material before it is encrypted and sent. The scanning happens against a known database of data fingerprints.
Re: Chat control: EU Commission presents mass surveillance plan on May 11
#10Ah the classic "But think of the children" appeal... Anybody know how this will impact proton?
It shouldn't (directly) affect ProtonMail — they're based in Switzerland, which is not an EU member and thus not bound by EU law.
That said, it's possible that this could be implemented in a GDPR-like fashion, where non-EU companies offering services to EU persons would be required to follow these laws.
It's also worth noting that the EU and Switzerland do have some bilateral agreements [1] for single market access, though, which involves it adopting some required EU law to facilitate this access; however, that should not be relevant for this specific issue.
[1] https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/cs/MEMO_1...