The Agony and The Ecstasy of Steve Jobs
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The Agony and The Ecstasy of Steve Jobs
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#2I don't understand how this guy can be so self righteous. If Apple's labor practices are so bad, why doesn't he stop buying their devices?
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#3the big question for me is how far down the pipeline does steve's vision extend. i think his passing won't affect the care and quality for maybe the next 2 years but after that i'm worried.
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#4If, say, a Motorola or Samsung device garnered such status, I wonder if people would dig up shit on said devices.
Lets face it people. If you bought something from China, you are complicit. If you bought something from a country poorer than China, say, oil from Nigeria, you are probably worse than complicit.
Don't like it?
My parents come from one of these modernizing nations. Should we be more humane? Sure, but this sort of journalism is juvenile. The general sentiment amongst expats and exchange students alike is that these countries will rise up. The only thing worse than being exploited by capitalism is not being exploited by capitalism.
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#5I don't understand how this guy can be so self righteous. If Apple's labor practices are so bad, why doesn't he stop buying their devices?
They cover this in the article:
"Wasn’t it a bit hypocritical of Mr. Daisey to condemn Apple when he continued to buy the company’s products? “There are no alternatives in our ecosystem,” Mr. Daisey pointed out, noting that FoxConn makes more than half the electronics purchased by Americans each year. For all I know, my Motorola may have been made there as well. “What I can do is to force people to wrestle with the reality of how their precious gadgets are made.”"
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#6If, say, a Motorola or Samsung device garnered such status, I wonder if people would dig up shit on said devices. Lets face it people. If you bought something from China, you are complicit. If you bought something from a country poorer than China, say, oil from Nigeria, you are probably worse than complicit. Don't like it? My parents come from one of these modernizing nations. Should we be more humane? Sure, but this…
I think you're probably right that this kind of inhumane labor extends to all gadgets. The article says as much.
But isn't the point that Apple is lionized as a "revolutionary" company and Mr. Jobs as a "genius" and a humanitarian?
And BTW, how is the opinion of expats and exchange students enough to speak for the whole nation? They are likely not the ones working in the factories.
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#7> For all I know, my Motorola may have been made there as well.
Yes, Foxconn makes Motorola phones too. Farley admits the obvious: that making it about Jobs and Apple sells more tickets and makes a more interesting story, and that it's really a rant against the entire electronics industry. And given the very ugly history of industrialization in the West, I can't help thinking there's a certain naiveté behind the moral outrage.
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#8I have seen his performance and it is excellent. Possibly the best geek performer I have ever seen. That being said his message is quite biased against outsourced manual labor. While he addresses he problems that are caused to Chinese workers it doesn't in any way address the fact that Chinese workers are joining companies like Fox Con every day in order to get themselves away from an even worse life.
I encourage everyone who can to go to one of his performances but keep in mind that this is one part of China that is actually raising the quality of life for its citizens. It is a horrible situation from our perspective but it's not as easy as blaming one company for all these problems. If Apple pulled out of China it would nOt fix anything.
If we want to help the developing class we need to look at the classic issues: education, employment and a government that recognizes the freedom and rights of it's ciizens.
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#9If, say, a Motorola or Samsung device garnered such status, I wonder if people would dig up shit on said devices. Lets face it people. If you bought something from China, you are complicit. If you bought something from a country poorer than China, say, oil from Nigeria, you are probably worse than complicit. Don't like it? My parents come from one of these modernizing nations. Should we be more humane? Sure, but this…
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#10If, say, a Motorola or Samsung device garnered such status, I wonder if people would dig up shit on said devices. Lets face it people. If you bought something from China, you are complicit. If you bought something from a country poorer than China, say, oil from Nigeria, you are probably worse than complicit. Don't like it? My parents come from one of these modernizing nations. Should we be more humane? Sure, but this…
That's the part I don't get: Foxconn is the world's biggest manufacturer of electronic components. They count Amazon, Dell, Motorola, HP, Nokia, Microsoft, and Apple among their clients.
Yet only Apple gets the notice.