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Exposed by a Strava KOM: The Many Lives of a Fake Pro Cyclist

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Re: Exposed by a Strava KOM: The Many Lives of a Fake Pro Cyclist

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I started reading this, but then realized it was almost 20000 words long.. how much is there to say? He faked his career, then got called out after some time, this topic really isn’t worth all the effort that was put into it

I think the point was how many other lives and how much money was affected by just one person and to unravel it.

I mean there are several books and movies written about Armstrong and the like, cycling is full of drama and people apparently like it because Armstrong has a huge fanbase and is still very successful/wealthy despite all his exposed corruption and doping.

I am sure there are plenty of serious amateurs who are clean and honest but to this day I cannot watch professional cycling of any kind, they are all doping and cheating one way or another just using the excuse "well everyone else is doing it".

(adding link to reddit analysis just to be useful https://old.reddit.com/r/Velo/duplicates/uegizk )

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I started reading this, but then realized it was almost 20000 words long.. how much is there to say? He faked his career, then got called out after some time, this topic really isn’t worth all the effort that was put into it

I think the point was how many other lives and how much money was affected by just one person and to unravel it. I mean there are several books and movies written about Armstrong and the like, cycling is full of drama and people apparently like it because Armstrong has a huge fanbase and is still very successful/wealthy despite all his exposed corruption and doping. I am sure there are plenty of serious amateurs who…

When I read statements like this, I always wider what people think is happening in other sports, especially those where there is much more money involved. I mean the US professional sports don't even have proper testing. Baseball has had plenty of steroid abuse, for basketball one only need to look at how players look after a year of playing in the NBA (Dirk Nowitzki was a tall skinny boy when in Germany, he gained >20kg of muscle mass in the first season of the NBA). Soccer has had plenty of cases where games of referees and players trying to throw games, for betting or other bribes.

The thing is that cycling has just not enough money/influence in contrast to other sports. Just one example, in operacion puerto, which exposed blood doping of many cyclist. When there were strong indications that many of the so far unidentified blood conserves belonged to Real Madrid players, political influence quickly led to the whole investigation being cancelled.

I'm not defending doping in cycling, but it is extremely naive to believe that sports with several orders of magnitude more money involved dont have rampant doping.

Re: Exposed by a Strava KOM: The Many Lives of a Fake Pro Cyclist

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I started reading this, but then realized it was almost 20000 words long.. how much is there to say? He faked his career, then got called out after some time, this topic really isn’t worth all the effort that was put into it

I think the point was how many other lives and how much money was affected by just one person and to unravel it. I mean there are several books and movies written about Armstrong and the like, cycling is full of drama and people apparently like it because Armstrong has a huge fanbase and is still very successful/wealthy despite all his exposed corruption and doping. I am sure there are plenty of serious amateurs who…

Extend it to every professional sport. Cycling was one which tried doing something about the problem and paid a heavy price in popularity, funding and public perception. Other major sports won't repeat this mistake.

Soccer for example has none significant doping controls and it's obvious that every top player is doped to the gills. There is probably not a single clean one in top clubs. NBA is just a joke as well as is tennis.

About the only sport org other than cycling that tried to do something about the problem is the UFC. Before/after photos of some fighters are just amazing (they are way smaller/less muscular after introduction of doping protocols) even though you can still get away with some doping (some is difficult to detect or very short lived).

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wow that was really long but i read almost all of it. a lot of it is just going into details that are necessary to condemn him without committing libel, i feel like. the most impressive bit is that he became the CEO of a publicly traded company with totally fake CV and no education and was paid more than a million dollars. and now he works at a gun shop literally across the street from the old bike shop, peddling lies about being in the special forces.

it always astounds me how stupid people are. when i was 14 i had a buddy who was really into cycling and he told me that lance armstrong, a national hero at that point, was a liar and a doper. it seemed insane to me and i just brushed it off. and then a long time after that, it was in the headlines. in retrospect it was completely obvious. there are a lot of things like that. here is something that will seem insane to you but will be in the headlines in a decade or two: saturated animal fat doesnt cause heart disease. it will be fun to think back!

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I started reading this, but then realized it was almost 20000 words long.. how much is there to say? He faked his career, then got called out after some time, this topic really isn’t worth all the effort that was put into it

I think the point was how many other lives and how much money was affected by just one person and to unravel it. I mean there are several books and movies written about Armstrong and the like, cycling is full of drama and people apparently like it because Armstrong has a huge fanbase and is still very successful/wealthy despite all his exposed corruption and doping. I am sure there are plenty of serious amateurs who…

> I cannot watch professional cycling of any kind, they are all doping and cheating one way

You're missing out on some awesome displays of athleticism because of this wrong idea. At the top level doping has been stamped out more than in any other sport.

On the other hand I could name some huge mainstream sport associations that don't follow the WADA code and implement suspiciously lax doping controls, but perhaps that would derail the thread.

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I think the point was how many other lives and how much money was affected by just one person and to unravel it. I mean there are several books and movies written about Armstrong and the like, cycling is full of drama and people apparently like it because Armstrong has a huge fanbase and is still very successful/wealthy despite all his exposed corruption and doping. I am sure there are plenty of serious amateurs who…

When I read statements like this, I always wider what people think is happening in other sports, especially those where there is much more money involved. I mean the US professional sports don't even have proper testing. Baseball has had plenty of steroid abuse, for basketball one only need to look at how players look after a year of playing in the NBA (Dirk Nowitzki was a tall skinny boy when in Germany, he gained >…

One of Armstrong's team mates from US Postal days wrote a tell all biography after he was banned for doping: Tyler Hamilton the secret race, in it (paraphrasing) he said he saw athletes from every professional sport in the waiting room of the private doctor who was doing his doping.

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I started reading this, but then realized it was almost 20000 words long.. how much is there to say? He faked his career, then got called out after some time, this topic really isn’t worth all the effort that was put into it

I think the point was how many other lives and how much money was affected by just one person and to unravel it. I mean there are several books and movies written about Armstrong and the like, cycling is full of drama and people apparently like it because Armstrong has a huge fanbase and is still very successful/wealthy despite all his exposed corruption and doping. I am sure there are plenty of serious amateurs who…

speaking about doping - as Russian sportsmen are mostly banned internationally due to the war, the top Russian sports officials have been publicly talking about "taking the Russian sport to the next level" by removing various supposedly stifling limits enforced by the international sport organizations. Officially those officials supposedly meant various technical limits and rules in various sports, while one can only wonder about what they would do with doping now that nobody is really watching (and given what they have already done when WADA was watching), and as they got that huge propaganda task of "taking to the next level" what they have to deliver on. So, get ready for Russian sportsmen say running 100m in 5 sec. with pure doping in their veins instead of blood :)
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