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The complete idiot's guide to OpenBSD on the Pinebook Pro

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Re: The complete idiot's guide to OpenBSD on the Pinebook Pro

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Post by genewitch »

When the raspberry pi first launched I managed to get Gentoo on it with a USB hard disk, and I decided that was the last time I was going to go that crazy ever again.

I also had some spare servers set up as distcc-pump servers, so very little got compiled on the pi.

If this sort of thing pleases you, more power to you. We need those people and these write-ups to keep everything moving forward, or it's apple all the way down...

Re: The complete idiot's guide to OpenBSD on the Pinebook Pro

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Post by nix23 »

My biggest problem with OpenBSD is the partitioning, do i want security? Then i need partitions with w^x but how big should they be without wasting to much space. I think OpenBSD would greatly benefit from stuff like zfs-filesystems or btrfs sub-partitions...and NO i don't say OpenBSD needs ZFS, just a more flexible partition mechanism, maybe overlay with quota or something?

Re: The complete idiot's guide to OpenBSD on the Pinebook Pro

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Post by mrweasel »

nix23 wrote: post #4

My biggest problem with OpenBSD is the partitioning, do i want security? Then i need partitions with w^x but how big should they be without wasting to much space. I think OpenBSD would greatly benefit from stuff like zfs-filesystems or btrfs sub-partitions...and NO i don't say OpenBSD needs ZFS, just a more flexible partition mechanism, maybe overlay with quota or something?

Having used OpenBSD and seeing how partitions and mount options are used to increase security, it’s really weird going back to a Linux system where everything is just one big partition.

You’re right though, it’s really tricky getting the partition sizes right. The auto layout is sensible, I just feel that it set aside to much space for home and to little for var.

Linux has all the tools to make use of partitions, but many distros still just go for one big partition. It seems counter intuitive.

Re: The complete idiot's guide to OpenBSD on the Pinebook Pro

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Post by aspyct »

I'm amazed at how the openbsd community seems to like calling people idiots.

I've been using various unices for about 20 years now, ranging from Slackware Linux to OpenSolaris to FreeBSD to Kubuntu. I gave openbsd a try a few years back, and found it utterly complicated to setup and use.

And when you ask for help, you're treated like an idiot and the only reply you get is basically "rtfm". No joke, one of the guys said "Grey Unix beards are formed in suffering".

Granted, a lot of stuff is in the documentation. But also a lot of stuff isn't. Your edge case from laptop X isn't documented, and you're still considered an idiot if you can't solve it.

Even the title of this article reflects that mindset.

Re: The complete idiot's guide to OpenBSD on the Pinebook Pro

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Post by Arnavion »

aspyct wrote: post #7

I'm amazed at how the openbsd community seems to like calling people idiots. I've been using various unices for about 20 years now, ranging from Slackware Linux to OpenSolaris to FreeBSD to Kubuntu. I gave openbsd a try a few years back, and found it utterly complicated to setup and use. And when you ask for help, you're treated like an idiot and the only reply you get is basically "rtfm". No joke, one of the guys sa…

So when you were told to RTFM, did you find the answer in the manual? If you didn't, did you tell them, and how did they respond?

I don't have any experience with OpenBSD or its community, but I'm in several (Linux-related) communities that would also tell you to RTFM if you were to ask a question that we expect is answered in the FM. And we would be happy to be corrected if you came back and told us it wasn't there, or even better if you told us when you initially asked your question that you did read such-and-such parts of the FM and did not find the answer. You could even become the one to update the manual to add the missing info for the next soul who has the same problem.

Basically what I'm getting at is that lots of small communities don't have the resources or inclination to answer the same questions over and over again. Yes the response may not be polite, and if that puts you off of using the software then so be it, but some level of self-help and doing-your-homework is expected before asking questions.

Re: The complete idiot's guide to OpenBSD on the Pinebook Pro

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Post by Bancakes »

aspyct wrote: post #7

I'm amazed at how the openbsd community seems to like calling people idiots. I've been using various unices for about 20 years now, ranging from Slackware Linux to OpenSolaris to FreeBSD to Kubuntu. I gave openbsd a try a few years back, and found it utterly complicated to setup and use. And when you ask for help, you're treated like an idiot and the only reply you get is basically "rtfm". No joke, one of the guys sa…

Professional programmers should be used to prodding their brains and RTFM. It's a question of ethics not to thought-dilute openBSD.

Re: The complete idiot's guide to OpenBSD on the Pinebook Pro

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Post by foxfluff »

aspyct wrote: post #7

I'm amazed at how the openbsd community seems to like calling people idiots. I've been using various unices for about 20 years now, ranging from Slackware Linux to OpenSolaris to FreeBSD to Kubuntu. I gave openbsd a try a few years back, and found it utterly complicated to setup and use. And when you ask for help, you're treated like an idiot and the only reply you get is basically "rtfm". No joke, one of the guys sa…

That doesn't really match my experience. When I read the docs and don't find what I want, I've gotten useful help from the community. Either they help me or they point me to the piece of documentation that I somehow missed.

Granted I didn't actually ever need to ask for much help because OpenBSD was so utterly simple to set up.

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