Should the UN try to create a political taboo (and in the long term, a ban) against sanctions towards general population when countries clash in diplomatic issues?
Ask HN: Does the world need a “passport equality” movement?
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#2I decide who I want to welcome in my home. I believe Thailand, Russia, Brazil, Germany are completely free to do the same and fix their own rules.
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#3I think the UN is already doing way too much. I don't want to live in a world where the concept of trust is nullified in the name of equality. I decide who I want to welcome in my home. I believe Thailand, Russia, Brazil, Germany are completely free to do the same and fix their own rules.
But you don't. Take the US, for example. Everyone born there is a citizen. Everyone born to an American parent is a citizen (or can be). None of the folks get a choice in where they were born, or what nationality they get. And you have all sorts of folks - people that will rape you and your family, and others that will give you food without going through a means check. You don't get to choose what the child next door will become any more than you chose your next-door neighbors.
Yet somehow, keeping out "the others" is giving you a choice? You don't even get real say who they keep out and who they let in. It isn't choice at all, I think.
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#4It is easy to say it ought to be equal but then the resulting flows need to be equal too.
Likewise it does seem like maybe the country with the worse off passport etc maybe be worse off but its likely there are rules preventing open and complete investment in, e.g owning land without 99 year leases, 51% ownership rules, outright restrictions on foreigners etc to match more open countries too (typically the ones with stronger passports).
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#5I think the UN is already doing way too much. I don't want to live in a world where the concept of trust is nullified in the name of equality. I decide who I want to welcome in my home. I believe Thailand, Russia, Brazil, Germany are completely free to do the same and fix their own rules.
I decide who I want to welcome in my home. I believe Thailand, Russia, Brazil, Germany are completely free to do the same and fix their own rules. But you don't. Take the US, for example. Everyone born there is a citizen. Everyone born to an American parent is a citizen (or can be). None of the folks get a choice in where they were born, or what nationality they get. And you have all sorts of folks - people that will…
People don't just come to a new country and just abandon their past. They bring their values, ideals, beliefs, problems and solutions. As the number of foreign people coming, cosmopolitanism increase.
Then you quickly reach a point where you can eat a raclette anywhere, soccer is the most famous sports, Hollywood is the main entity broadcasting entertainment. There is no point in traveling, because every place more or less lost their spirit.
And I am not talking about the fact that, if countries completely drop their requirements based on nationality, they will keep their "usefulness" requirements (who is able to take a job we are looking for)
What's going to happen? Well educated people are going to move easily. Further depriving countries of the very ones they need to develop their countries.
It will be a one way street. I don't imagine hundreds of thousands of Americans moving to eastern Africa anytime soon.
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#7I'm 100% for immigration, but realistically if you just allow everyone to move overnight, it's just going to make a big mess unless we first focus on financial inequality.
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#8I think the UN is already doing way too much. I don't want to live in a world where the concept of trust is nullified in the name of equality. I decide who I want to welcome in my home. I believe Thailand, Russia, Brazil, Germany are completely free to do the same and fix their own rules.
I decide who I want to welcome in my home. I believe Thailand, Russia, Brazil, Germany are completely free to do the same and fix their own rules. But you don't. Take the US, for example. Everyone born there is a citizen. Everyone born to an American parent is a citizen (or can be). None of the folks get a choice in where they were born, or what nationality they get. And you have all sorts of folks - people that will…
It doesn't have to be this way if trust between groups improves such systems could appear. Ironically the ambitions to solve racism did create even more distrust as it seems, but the setback is hopefully temporary.
I don't think a country with strong social security could ever survive open immigration for too long. It would have to adapt and restrict social security because the societal consent has to be reestablished.
I am not from the US.
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I decide who I want to welcome in my home. I believe Thailand, Russia, Brazil, Germany are completely free to do the same and fix their own rules. But you don't. Take the US, for example. Everyone born there is a citizen. Everyone born to an American parent is a citizen (or can be). None of the folks get a choice in where they were born, or what nationality they get. And you have all sorts of folks - people that will…
But you are surrounded by people whose parents contributed to your economy, who were more or less raised with at least a decent amount of shared values. People don't just come to a new country and just abandon their past. They bring their values, ideals, beliefs, problems and solutions. As the number of foreign people coming, cosmopolitanism increase. Then you quickly reach a point where you can eat a raclette anywhe…