Rust: Changes in the Core Team
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Rust: Changes in the Core Team
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Re: Rust: Changes in the Core Team
#2I remember some weird drama leaked out of this team a few months ago, but it was pretty vague and I didn't understand it.
I'm not that curious about the drama, but I wish we had more info about the governance of Rust and the vision of the remaining maintainers.
If these maintainers left on bad terms, what does that mean? Is their vision incomplete? Is Rust in good hands?
Re: Rust: Changes in the Core Team
#3I remember some weird drama leaked out of this team a few months ago, but it was pretty vague and I didn't understand it. I'm not that curious about the drama, but I wish we had more info about the governance of Rust and the vision of the remaining maintainers. If these maintainers left on bad terms, what does that mean? Is their vision incomplete? Is Rust in good hands?
>remaining maintainers
Just to be clear, the "Core Team" is different from the "Compiler Team".
Re: Rust: Changes in the Core Team
#4I remember some weird drama leaked out of this team a few months ago, but it was pretty vague and I didn't understand it. I'm not that curious about the drama, but I wish we had more info about the governance of Rust and the vision of the remaining maintainers. If these maintainers left on bad terms, what does that mean? Is their vision incomplete? Is Rust in good hands?
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Re: Rust: Changes in the Core Team
#5I'd be interested to know what size of team the Core Team wants to maintain and whether there are differentiated roles within the team.
Re: Rust: Changes in the Core Team
#6I remember some weird drama leaked out of this team a few months ago, but it was pretty vague and I didn't understand it. I'm not that curious about the drama, but I wish we had more info about the governance of Rust and the vision of the remaining maintainers. If these maintainers left on bad terms, what does that mean? Is their vision incomplete? Is Rust in good hands?
I recall something about imposing Amazon corporate conventions on project governance, and people worried Amazon might start doing to Rust what Google has been doing to C++. As in that case, probably most of what Amazon wants for Rust, most other people want too, except for unlimited complexity. Corporations, by their nature, want things to be as complex as possible, regardless of what any individual -- even anyone who works there -- wants.
Re: Rust: Changes in the Core Team
#7I remember some weird drama leaked out of this team a few months ago, but it was pretty vague and I didn't understand it. I'm not that curious about the drama, but I wish we had more info about the governance of Rust and the vision of the remaining maintainers. If these maintainers left on bad terms, what does that mean? Is their vision incomplete? Is Rust in good hands?
I recall something about imposing Amazon corporate conventions on project governance, and people worried Amazon might start doing to Rust what Google has been doing to C++. As in that case, probably most of what Amazon wants for Rust, most other people want too, except for unlimited complexity. Corporations, by their nature, want things to be as complex as possible, regardless of what any individual -- even anyone wh…
Can you elaborate on "what Google has been doing to C++"? Google has a couple of members on C++ working groups including WG21 but I'm not even remotely under the impression that C++ governance is controlled by Google.
Re: Rust: Changes in the Core Team
#8I remember some weird drama leaked out of this team a few months ago, but it was pretty vague and I didn't understand it. I'm not that curious about the drama, but I wish we had more info about the governance of Rust and the vision of the remaining maintainers. If these maintainers left on bad terms, what does that mean? Is their vision incomplete? Is Rust in good hands?
I recall something about imposing Amazon corporate conventions on project governance, and people worried Amazon might start doing to Rust what Google has been doing to C++. As in that case, probably most of what Amazon wants for Rust, most other people want too, except for unlimited complexity. Corporations, by their nature, want things to be as complex as possible, regardless of what any individual -- even anyone wh…
C++ is governed by ISO, an international standards organization with 165 member nations.
Rust is governed by the Rust Foundation, a US-based 501(c)6 trade association.
Given that, which language do you think Evil Corp has more influence in changing?
Re: Rust: Changes in the Core Team
#9I remember some weird drama leaked out of this team a few months ago, but it was pretty vague and I didn't understand it. I'm not that curious about the drama, but I wish we had more info about the governance of Rust and the vision of the remaining maintainers. If these maintainers left on bad terms, what does that mean? Is their vision incomplete? Is Rust in good hands?
I think this is the post you were talking about where the Rust Moderation team resigned
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29306845
There was a lot of speculation about Amazon's role in what happened, I'm not sure if any of it was true but worth noting.
My take is that someone on the Core team violated the Code of Conduct and refused to listen to the Moderation team, and the moderation team felt undermined and resigned in protest. But they were purposefully vague (probably so as not to burn any bridges).
It seems very likely that some of these changes in the Core team are related to that
Re: Rust: Changes in the Core Team
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
I recall something about imposing Amazon corporate conventions on project governance, and people worried Amazon might start doing to Rust what Google has been doing to C++. As in that case, probably most of what Amazon wants for Rust, most other people want too, except for unlimited complexity. Corporations, by their nature, want things to be as complex as possible, regardless of what any individual -- even anyone wh…
Can you elaborate on "what Google has been doing to C++"? Google has a couple of members on C++ working groups including WG21 but I'm not even remotely under the impression that C++ governance is controlled by Google.
Google has many more than a "couple of" employees participating in WG21 working groups. Most of what they do is helpful, but they are difficult to oppose.