Alabama farmer sues John Deere for ‘right to repair’
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Re: Alabama farmer sues John Deere for ‘right to repair’
#2Out of their greed; John Deere will fight this with all they have.
I still think the best solution to this is still a startup that can create tractors that don’t require repairs by a first party. I understand the difficulties behind such an operation, but I’m unfortunately not sure how successful such a lawsuit will be in America without the hell of a lot more ‘ooomph’ behind it.
Re: Alabama farmer sues John Deere for ‘right to repair’
#3Re: Alabama farmer sues John Deere for ‘right to repair’
#4If folks actually value "right to repair" support companies that offer right to repair.
If no tractor company exists that offer the type of open setup you want and you think this is critical - start a company up and take out Deere and others.
Deere's views on software changes by users in the field is pretty darn clear.
My own view - having watched individuals and dealers etc "tune" trucks etc (with all the endless problems involved) - is that for something like a 10,000 part count + heavy piece of equipment - Deere is going to want to keep stuff locked up tight to preserve brand value. Apple has done this with iphones, and the resale value after 5 years on an iphone is incredible compared to players pushing out android phones.
Re: Alabama farmer sues John Deere for ‘right to repair’
#5While this is great news; I unfortunately have to wonder how effective this is going to be. We need likely a much, much larger subset of farmers joining such a class action lawsuit - ideally from as many states as possible - to get this to change. Out of their greed; John Deere will fight this with all they have. I still think the best solution to this is still a startup that can create tractors that don’t require re…
An "open tractor" from a new company is also going to be hard to justify with how thin margins are with farming.
Maybe some techies can get together to make repair easier. New electronic control boards, diagrams of how to machine their own replacement parts, etc. for the most popular tractors people own.
It's a tough problem to solve, but one worth fighting any way we can.
Re: Alabama farmer sues John Deere for ‘right to repair’
#6While this is great news; I unfortunately have to wonder how effective this is going to be. We need likely a much, much larger subset of farmers joining such a class action lawsuit - ideally from as many states as possible - to get this to change. Out of their greed; John Deere will fight this with all they have. I still think the best solution to this is still a startup that can create tractors that don’t require re…
You're still going up against massively entrenched and influential opposition that could likely undercut a startup's prices and then raise them again once the competition dies.
We saw it with the rideshare companies. Their business models are flexible enough to take losses when necessary in order to beat out alternatives and then programmatically raise the prices again once they've captured the market again.
Re: Alabama farmer sues John Deere for ‘right to repair’
#7Some ideas: If folks actually value "right to repair" support companies that offer right to repair. If no tractor company exists that offer the type of open setup you want and you think this is critical - start a company up and take out Deere and others. Deere's views on software changes by users in the field is pretty darn clear. My own view - having watched individuals and dealers etc "tune" trucks etc (with all th…
we need regulation. force companies to provide a minimum standard of repairability.
Re: Alabama farmer sues John Deere for ‘right to repair’
#8While this is great news; I unfortunately have to wonder how effective this is going to be. We need likely a much, much larger subset of farmers joining such a class action lawsuit - ideally from as many states as possible - to get this to change. Out of their greed; John Deere will fight this with all they have. I still think the best solution to this is still a startup that can create tractors that don’t require re…
Do other tractor manufacturers have Deere-style DRM? I imagine some don't.
Re: Alabama farmer sues John Deere for ‘right to repair’
#9While this is great news; I unfortunately have to wonder how effective this is going to be. We need likely a much, much larger subset of farmers joining such a class action lawsuit - ideally from as many states as possible - to get this to change. Out of their greed; John Deere will fight this with all they have. I still think the best solution to this is still a startup that can create tractors that don’t require re…
Edit: Well, it appears there is something like this already. "Crowd Justice" https://www.crowdjustice.com/
Re: Alabama farmer sues John Deere for ‘right to repair’
#10Some ideas: If folks actually value "right to repair" support companies that offer right to repair. If no tractor company exists that offer the type of open setup you want and you think this is critical - start a company up and take out Deere and others. Deere's views on software changes by users in the field is pretty darn clear. My own view - having watched individuals and dealers etc "tune" trucks etc (with all th…
The car companies, threatened by having to comply with different laws in different states, came to an agreement that the car companies would follow the Massachusetts law across the US.
You can watch individuals and dealers etc "tune" trucks now as a direct consequence of that 10 year old law passing.
There's no obligation for the law to preserve brand value when considering an anti-monopoly case. Standard Oil wasn't broken apart because of gung-ho oil companies.