Open-Sourcing our Firmware

#1

Post by aram » Fri, Jan 21, 2022, 5:48 PM UTC

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

#2

Post by kop316 » Fri, Jan 21, 2022, 6:04 PM UTC

Does the Framework support coreboot? IIRC it does not, and I was sort of surprised to not see that in this announcement.

Their github also doesn't have any mention of coreboot: https://github.com/FrameworkComputer

And it isn't here either: https://doc.coreboot.org/mainboard/index.html

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

#3

Post by donkarma » Fri, Jan 21, 2022, 6:05 PM UTC

now lets get an open source baseband

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

#4

Post by ignaloidas » Fri, Jan 21, 2022, 6:07 PM UTC

Side note: the language selection is stupid on the website. No, I'm not from Germany, and I don't speak German even if it's the closest country to me that you sell laptops in. Also, it's a bad practice to associate flags with languages. Or to give options that don't work after you select them.

Otherwise, very nice news!

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

#5

Post by kitsunesoba » Fri, Jan 21, 2022, 6:08 PM UTC

kop316 wrote: post #2

Does the Framework support coreboot? IIRC it does not, and I was sort of surprised to not see that in this announcement. Their github also doesn't have any mention of coreboot: https://github.com/FrameworkComputer And it isn't here either: https://doc.coreboot.org/mainboard/index.html

IIRC they said that it was a point of interest but not something they’d started work on yet.

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by kingcharles » Fri, Jan 21, 2022, 6:10 PM UTC

ignaloidas wrote: post #4

Side note: the language selection is stupid on the website. No, I'm not from Germany, and I don't speak German even if it's the closest country to me that you sell laptops in. Also, it's a bad practice to associate flags with languages. Or to give options that don't work after you select them. Otherwise, very nice news!

I agree that flag != language (British Union flag for English being a prime example), but what is the next best alternative?

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Jan 21, 2022, 6:19 PM UTC

kingcharles wrote: post #6

ignaloidas wrote: post #4

Side note: the language selection is stupid on the website. No, I'm not from Germany, and I don't speak German even if it's the closest country to me that you sell laptops in. Also, it's a bad practice to associate flags with languages. Or to give options that don't work after you select them. Otherwise, very nice news!

I agree that flag != language (British Union flag for English being a prime example), but what is the next best alternative?

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Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by flatiron » Fri, Jan 21, 2022, 6:21 PM UTC

kingcharles wrote: post #6

ignaloidas wrote: post #4

Side note: the language selection is stupid on the website. No, I'm not from Germany, and I don't speak German even if it's the closest country to me that you sell laptops in. Also, it's a bad practice to associate flags with languages. Or to give options that don't work after you select them. Otherwise, very nice news!

I agree that flag != language (British Union flag for English being a prime example), but what is the next best alternative?

“Please select your ISO language code” /s

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by ignaloidas » Fri, Jan 21, 2022, 6:22 PM UTC

kingcharles wrote: post #6

ignaloidas wrote: post #4

Side note: the language selection is stupid on the website. No, I'm not from Germany, and I don't speak German even if it's the closest country to me that you sell laptops in. Also, it's a bad practice to associate flags with languages. Or to give options that don't work after you select them. Otherwise, very nice news!

I agree that flag != language (British Union flag for English being a prime example), but what is the next best alternative?

Why have flags at all? Just use the native language name and a translation.

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by brightball » Fri, Jan 21, 2022, 6:23 PM UTC

kingcharles wrote: post #6

ignaloidas wrote: post #4

Side note: the language selection is stupid on the website. No, I'm not from Germany, and I don't speak German even if it's the closest country to me that you sell laptops in. Also, it's a bad practice to associate flags with languages. Or to give options that don't work after you select them. Otherwise, very nice news!

I agree that flag != language (British Union flag for English being a prime example), but what is the next best alternative?

Yea, it’s always a struggle. UI wise it clearly looks better to use flags and people know what it’s for when they see it. There’s always people who complain about it though.

I’m of the opinion to not worry about it and just use the flags. It’s enough effort to properly internationalize a site and keep it maintained. That it’s available at all is a huge effort. Debating flags vs a drop down with languages is nitpicking IMO.

Plus, when the language codes include a country it’s a natural UI decision.

EDIT: Supporting multiple languages increases the complexity of the entire development pipeline. Translation teams are brought in, translation tools are brought in to support in-code language as well as translations in the database itself. Every new text snippet needs to be translated to each language to deploy it.

Your search features get more complicated, date formats, number formats, currency, collations. Every language you add increases this complexity. Because of that, you will represent a language with a primary country and not every language spoken in that country. On the chance that a company has opted to go all in to support region specific dialects of languages where 100+ choices will be listed, then no…of course flags wouldn’t work. But in most cases you’re lucky to get 2 languages at all with potential for a couple more for all but the largest of companies. Virtually every other site is just going to use one and churn out some Google translations or ask you to do that yourself.

After considering all that, yes…just use flags.