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The Moderna vaccine can cause immune-mediated hepatitis

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Re: The Moderna vaccine can cause immune-mediated hepatitis

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I have trouble understanding why people post articles like this. IE, what's the ulterior motive? Is your goal to reduce trust in vaccines? A good faith attempt to show that there are a very small but detectable number of adverse outcomes from vaccines?

Whatever it is: a paper like this doesn't demonstrate anything like that. It's a case observation with n=1 and it actually shows nothing of the sort. It's as close to nonscientific as a doctor can get and still publish in the literature.

Re: The Moderna vaccine can cause immune-mediated hepatitis

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I have trouble understanding why people post articles like this. IE, what's the ulterior motive? Is your goal to reduce trust in vaccines? A good faith attempt to show that there are a very small but detectable number of adverse outcomes from vaccines? Whatever it is: a paper like this doesn't demonstrate anything like that. It's a case observation with n=1 and it actually shows nothing of the sort. It's as close to…

People post for many reasons other than because they want to push a narrative.

Perhaps its just interesting and they want to see what people say.

Interesting things are worth posting even when you may not agree with it or even know anything about it.

Posting is like asking, "what do HNers think about this?"

Re: The Moderna vaccine can cause immune-mediated hepatitis

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I have trouble understanding why people post articles like this. IE, what's the ulterior motive? Is your goal to reduce trust in vaccines? A good faith attempt to show that there are a very small but detectable number of adverse outcomes from vaccines? Whatever it is: a paper like this doesn't demonstrate anything like that. It's a case observation with n=1 and it actually shows nothing of the sort. It's as close to…

Not the op, and didn't read the link, so no clue what it's validity.

BUT will say again, I am pro vaccines and vaccinated, but I still think the possible side effects are being downplayed in the media/state. I posted in another thread, but after one month, I am still having issues that are for sure linked to my booster shot. No-one told me about any of these possible side effects, but after suffering from them, and talking openly about it with many peopkle, I found others had exactly the same issues as I have after their shots (Pfizer if it helps anyone).

Re: The Moderna vaccine can cause immune-mediated hepatitis

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I have trouble understanding why people post articles like this. IE, what's the ulterior motive? Is your goal to reduce trust in vaccines? A good faith attempt to show that there are a very small but detectable number of adverse outcomes from vaccines? Whatever it is: a paper like this doesn't demonstrate anything like that. It's a case observation with n=1 and it actually shows nothing of the sort. It's as close to…

People post for many reasons other than because they want to push a narrative. Perhaps its just interesting and they want to see what people say. Interesting things are worth posting even when you may not agree with it or even know anything about it. Posting is like asking, "what do HNers think about this?"

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Re: The Moderna vaccine can cause immune-mediated hepatitis

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I have trouble understanding why people post articles like this. IE, what's the ulterior motive? Is your goal to reduce trust in vaccines? A good faith attempt to show that there are a very small but detectable number of adverse outcomes from vaccines? Whatever it is: a paper like this doesn't demonstrate anything like that. It's a case observation with n=1 and it actually shows nothing of the sort. It's as close to…

Not the op, and didn't read the link, so no clue what it's validity. BUT will say again, I am pro vaccines and vaccinated, but I still think the possible side effects are being downplayed in the media/state. I posted in another thread, but after one month, I am still having issues that are for sure linked to my booster shot. No-one told me about any of these possible side effects, but after suffering from them, and t…

The issue of side effects being downplayed by the media is entirely a response by public health and media to the large amount of disinformation about vaccines. It was a calculus that was identified and decided on quite some time ago- the reasoning being most people need to hear a simple, straightforward and consistent message to be compliant.

The media and public health leadership has to work on a very thin "knife's edge" when communicating with the public. They have to do 10X the work to debunk garbage than the people have to work to dissemination garbage. And then, a reasonable set of people who do have vaccines problems end up in the middle. The symptoms I had when I had combined Flu/Pneumonia were: could not use left arm for a week, felt super-sick and couldn'tr work for a week. I know that's probably better than getitng a bad flu or pneumonia, but my doctor couldn't even care. She was just happy I got vaccinated. i do think that is a problem.

But it's a different problem and raising that and having a rational discussion about it is not something that can happen in a venue like hacker news, or really any social media.

Re: The Moderna vaccine can cause immune-mediated hepatitis

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I have trouble understanding why people post articles like this. IE, what's the ulterior motive? Is your goal to reduce trust in vaccines? A good faith attempt to show that there are a very small but detectable number of adverse outcomes from vaccines? Whatever it is: a paper like this doesn't demonstrate anything like that. It's a case observation with n=1 and it actually shows nothing of the sort. It's as close to…

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Re: The Moderna vaccine can cause immune-mediated hepatitis

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I have trouble understanding why people post articles like this. IE, what's the ulterior motive? Is your goal to reduce trust in vaccines? A good faith attempt to show that there are a very small but detectable number of adverse outcomes from vaccines? Whatever it is: a paper like this doesn't demonstrate anything like that. It's a case observation with n=1 and it actually shows nothing of the sort. It's as close to…

People post for many reasons other than because they want to push a narrative. Perhaps its just interesting and they want to see what people say. Interesting things are worth posting even when you may not agree with it or even know anything about it. Posting is like asking, "what do HNers think about this?"

Maybe, this is also a new user pushing a bare minimum paper with a headline that denotes safety issues with the vaccine. We should be actively looking for scientific outlook, but the top of this comment chain is correct in asking questions about the motives when we see stuff like this pop-up continually on HN from groups of people.

Re: The Moderna vaccine can cause immune-mediated hepatitis

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People post for many reasons other than because they want to push a narrative. Perhaps its just interesting and they want to see what people say. Interesting things are worth posting even when you may not agree with it or even know anything about it. Posting is like asking, "what do HNers think about this?"

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Re: The Moderna vaccine can cause immune-mediated hepatitis

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I have trouble understanding why people post articles like this. IE, what's the ulterior motive? Is your goal to reduce trust in vaccines? A good faith attempt to show that there are a very small but detectable number of adverse outcomes from vaccines? Whatever it is: a paper like this doesn't demonstrate anything like that. It's a case observation with n=1 and it actually shows nothing of the sort. It's as close to…

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Vaccine mandates by the government are legal but there are restrictions. Jacobson vs. Massachuestts, but of course, see today's ruling (which is being misreported; it's correct that OSHA doesn't ahve the latitude to do this, but the president has the absolute right to vaccine mandates nationally. he just hasn't done it, and given the omicron experience, I doubt he will).

I'm not sure why those cities have those policies and I don't expect them to stand much longer given the relatively weak protection provided.

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