DMV ‘revisiting’ its approach to regulating Tesla’s public self-driving test
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Re: DMV ‘revisiting’ its approach to regulating Tesla’s public self-driving test
#2Does anyone have good data on comparing deaths per mile driven between various auto brands?
This data, https://www.tesladeaths.com/, doesn't tell us much if accurate, other than Tesla crashes don't seem to be any kind of real problem in an absolute sense.
Re: DMV ‘revisiting’ its approach to regulating Tesla’s public self-driving test
#3Does anyone have good data on comparing deaths per mile driven between various auto brands? This data, https://www.tesladeaths.com/ , doesn't tell us much if accurate, other than Tesla crashes don't seem to be any kind of real problem in an absolute sense.
Since Tesla is a very young and upscale brand deaths per mile would be very misleading. You need to also account for price range, car type, and age of the vehicle.
There is quite the difference getting into an accident with a 20 year old Honda Accord and a 3 year old Model 3.
Re: DMV ‘revisiting’ its approach to regulating Tesla’s public self-driving test
#4Does anyone have good data on comparing deaths per mile driven between various auto brands? This data, https://www.tesladeaths.com/ , doesn't tell us much if accurate, other than Tesla crashes don't seem to be any kind of real problem in an absolute sense.
Absolute data points like this are pretty much useless, what would be more helpful is a percentage of deaths compared to Teslas out on the road vs. other automakers' cars. Still though, there's so many confounders (weather, types/subsets of customers, etc) that would make it nearly impossible to use this data to judge whether Teslas are safer or more dangerous than Car X or Car Y.
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#5Does anyone have good data on comparing deaths per mile driven between various auto brands? This data, https://www.tesladeaths.com/ , doesn't tell us much if accurate, other than Tesla crashes don't seem to be any kind of real problem in an absolute sense.
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Re: DMV ‘revisiting’ its approach to regulating Tesla’s public self-driving test
#6Does anyone have good data on comparing deaths per mile driven between various auto brands? This data, https://www.tesladeaths.com/ , doesn't tell us much if accurate, other than Tesla crashes don't seem to be any kind of real problem in an absolute sense.
Absolute data points like this are pretty much useless, what would be more helpful is a percentage of deaths compared to Teslas out on the road vs. other automakers' cars. Still though, there's so many confounders (weather, types/subsets of customers, etc) that would make it nearly impossible to use this data to judge whether Teslas are safer or more dangerous than Car X or Car Y.
> what would be more helpful is a percentage of deaths compared to Teslas out on the road vs. other automakers' cars
...yeah, that's exactly what I asked for in the first sentence.
Re: DMV ‘revisiting’ its approach to regulating Tesla’s public self-driving test
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Absolute data points like this are pretty much useless, what would be more helpful is a percentage of deaths compared to Teslas out on the road vs. other automakers' cars. Still though, there's so many confounders (weather, types/subsets of customers, etc) that would make it nearly impossible to use this data to judge whether Teslas are safer or more dangerous than Car X or Car Y.
> what would be more helpful is a percentage of deaths compared to Teslas out on the road vs. other automakers' cars ...yeah, that's exactly what I asked for in the first sentence.
Right, but what I'm saying is that that still wouldn't paint the entire picture, there's too many overlapping variables and too few Tesla vehicles relative to market share of other brands to make any sort of sound or critical judgment of their safety.
I'm not defending Tesla here, just stating the obvious. Not a fan of their cars for quite a few reasons
Re: DMV ‘revisiting’ its approach to regulating Tesla’s public self-driving test
#8Does anyone have good data on comparing deaths per mile driven between various auto brands? This data, https://www.tesladeaths.com/ , doesn't tell us much if accurate, other than Tesla crashes don't seem to be any kind of real problem in an absolute sense.
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> Does human life have intrinsic value?
Yes? I don't understand your point.
We have limited problem solving resources, which means we need to be smart about how we use those resources to solve the problems that legitimately have the biggest impact on human suffering.
Getting bogged down on issues that are negligible in a relativistic sense, but trigger greater emotional response, is a recipe for failure. See the anti nuclear power movement for example, https://ourworldindata.org/safest-sources-of-energy
Re: DMV ‘revisiting’ its approach to regulating Tesla’s public self-driving test
#9Does anyone have good data on comparing deaths per mile driven between various auto brands? This data, https://www.tesladeaths.com/ , doesn't tell us much if accurate, other than Tesla crashes don't seem to be any kind of real problem in an absolute sense.
Since Tesla is a very young and upscale brand deaths per mile would be very misleading. You need to also account for price range, car type, and age of the vehicle. There is quite the difference getting into an accident with a 20 year old Honda Accord and a 3 year old Model 3.
And also road setting. Highways (where self driving tech is most commonly used) are the safest per mile.
Re: DMV ‘revisiting’ its approach to regulating Tesla’s public self-driving test
#10Does anyone have good data on comparing deaths per mile driven between various auto brands? This data, https://www.tesladeaths.com/ , doesn't tell us much if accurate, other than Tesla crashes don't seem to be any kind of real problem in an absolute sense.
> Does anyone have good data on comparing deaths per mile driven between various auto brands?
Not really. Most of the data is based on comparing all sorts of cars against all sorts of other cars.
Even ignoring how many years other brands have been making cars compared to Tesla, car models have very specific demographics they cater to.
Take the Corvette for example, one of the highest deaths per mile, and it's not because the car is inherently unsafe... it just attracts a very specific type of buyer with a very specific purpose in driving.
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Adding in Autopilot makes the comparison even more hopeless since it works best in the absolute easiest situation (basic highways) doesn't work in the hardest ("stroads") and limits speeding.
You could try comparing only cars that have AEB/LKA/etc. but no one seems to have done that (Tesla certainly won't since it doesn't sell their narrative)
FSD would be slightly more interesting, but again, will work best on highways (so people will enable it there more) and also Tesla hasn't shared FSD numbers separately