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Omicron Makes Vaccine Mandates Obsolete

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Re: Omicron Makes Vaccine Mandates Obsolete

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Post by brimnes »

cft wrote: post #2

By no less than Luc Montagnier himself. This looks like the nuclear letter by Einstein to Roosevelt. WSJ is one of the very few remaining solid objective outlets in the US. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luc_Montagnier

During the COVID-19 pandemic, Montagnier was a promoter of the conspiracy theory that SARS-CoV-2, the causative virus, was deliberately created in, and thereafter escaped from a laboratory. Such a claim has been refuted by other virologists.

Re: Omicron Makes Vaccine Mandates Obsolete

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Post by itisit »

brimnes wrote: post #3
cft wrote: post #2

By no less than Luc Montagnier himself. This looks like the nuclear letter by Einstein to Roosevelt. WSJ is one of the very few remaining solid objective outlets in the US. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luc_Montagnier

During the COVID-19 pandemic, Montagnier was a promoter of the conspiracy theory that SARS-CoV-2, the causative virus, was deliberately created in, and thereafter escaped from a laboratory. Such a claim has been refuted by other virologists.

And other virologists share Montagnier’s assertion that the proverbial pangolins had nothing to do with this fiasco.

Re: Omicron Makes Vaccine Mandates Obsolete

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Post by Shared404 »

mint2 wrote: post #6

I can’t read the article, but guessing it puts very little weight on the severity reduction vaccines grant. Or is there new data showing that’s not a thing?

I don't see anything about severity reduction in the article. The argument it has lies in >As the World Health Organization puts it, “if mandatory vaccination is considered necessary to interrupt transmission chains and prevent harm to others, there should be sufficient evidence that the vaccine is efficacious in preventing serious infection and/or transmission.” For Omicron, there is as yet no such evidence.

And

> The little data we have suggest the opposite. One preprint study found that after 30 days the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines no longer had any statistically significant positive effect against Omicron infection, and after 90 days, their effect went negative—i.e., vaccinated people were more susceptible to Omicron infection.

That's the most relevant quote from the article. The study mentioned is here [0].

Fwiw, one of the authors discovered HIV[1], so they presumably know what they're talking about.

[0] https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.20.21267966v...

[1] The end of the article mentions "Dr. Montagnier was a winner of the 2008 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine for discovering the human immunodeficiency virus."

Edit: For the record, I'm most definitely not anti-vax, just summarizing the article as best I could. Thanks to everyone who dig deeper than I did.

Re: Omicron Makes Vaccine Mandates Obsolete

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Post by mrtesthah »

brimnes wrote: post #3
cft wrote: post #2

By no less than Luc Montagnier himself. This looks like the nuclear letter by Einstein to Roosevelt. WSJ is one of the very few remaining solid objective outlets in the US. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luc_Montagnier

During the COVID-19 pandemic, Montagnier was a promoter of the conspiracy theory that SARS-CoV-2, the causative virus, was deliberately created in, and thereafter escaped from a laboratory. Such a claim has been refuted by other virologists.

>Such a claim has been refuted by other virologists.

You make it sound like there’s a consensus here, but I don’t think that’s actually the case—at least not anymore, if it was true before.

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