Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter
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Re: Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter
#2Lots of exciting work going on with this right now. I really like that I can open up websocat, and interact with a relay directly to learn how the protocol works.
Re: Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter
#3I'm using branle (https://branle.fiatjaf.com/) as my client and you can follow me with my pubkey: 22e804d26ed16b68db5259e78449e96dab5d464c8f470bda3eb1a70467f2c793.
You can find my pubring on my bio after following me. There's no ability to discover others at this time!
Nostr relay registry hosted here (https://nostr-registry.netlify.app) by fiatjaf.
Exciting times!
Re: Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter
#4> it does not rely on P2P techniques, therefore it works.
followed by
> To publish something, you write a post, sign it with your key and send it to multiple relays (servers hosted by someone else, or yourself). To get updates from other people, you ask multiple relays if they know anything about these other people. Anyone can run a relay.
Sounds pretty much like P2P techniques to me.
Re: Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter
#5I like the intent of these types of projects but a serious question I have is: How do you get the majority of people to switch to something like this?
There are many examples but the most recent ones that come to mind are people trying to get their friends to use Murmur/Mumble instead of Discord with basically near-zero success. I've seen this in a few gaming forums. Anyone attempting this is basically laughed off the platform with the responses like "All my friends are on Discord" and "Discord can do x,y,z can your app do that?"
So in practical terms how would one make such a platform widely adopted?
Re: Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter
#6> it does not rely on P2P techniques, therefore it works. followed by > To publish something, you write a post, sign it with your key and send it to multiple relays (servers hosted by someone else, or yourself). To get updates from other people, you ask multiple relays if they know anything about these other people. Anyone can run a relay. Sounds pretty much like P2P techniques to me.
Another nitpick this -> "A relay can block a user from publishing anything there, " sounds like censorship to me
We need to realize our problem is not with censoring people, it's with who does the censoring.
We don't like it to be the gov, because we don't feel like the gov is 'by and for the people'
We don't like it being large corporations because that's doubly the case.
Re: Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter
#7>If spam is a concern for a relay, it can require payment for publication or some other form of authentication, such as an email address or phone, and associate these internally with a pubkey that then gets to publish to that relay — or other anti-spam techniques, like hashcash or captchas.
Sounds like these anti-spam measures are not actually implemented yet.
Re: Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter
#8> It insists on having a chain of updates from a single user, which feels unnecessary to me and something that adds bloat and rigidity to the thing — each server/user needs to store all the chain of posts to be sure the new one is valid. Why? (Maybe they have a good reason);
I assume this is so a relay can't manipulate your messaging by picking and choosing which messages to forward; they'd have to forward messages [0-N].
Edit:
> sig:
Signed hash rather than a mac - might be vulnerable to an extension attack
Re: Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter
#9I like the intent of these types of projects but a serious question I have is: How do you get the majority of people to switch to something like this? There are many examples but the most recent ones that come to mind are people trying to get their friends to use Murmur/Mumble instead of Discord with basically near-zero success. I've seen this in a few gaming forums. Anyone attempting this is basically laughed off th…
Takes time, a lot of marketing money, more time, more money. Look at what is happening with Telegram globally. It is used as a serious alternative to WhatsApp in some countries, but far from being a real global competitor still.
Re: Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter
#10Open source Twitter ? We've had that for a decade.... nobody wants to run it's own, it makes no sense, you'll have no audience. If I wanted my twitter, I'd setup a WordPress....