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Re: What unemployment? Nothing like that in United States of Software

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A demand for workers is not the same thing as no unemployment. Plenty of people out there with outdated skillsets.

Luckily for folks with outdated skillsets, you can learn and practice almost anything in software these days for free from the net. Back in the day you might have had to go back to school, now it's a matter of buckling down and brushing up on your Rails.

Re: What unemployment? Nothing like that in United States of Software

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A demand for workers is not the same thing as no unemployment. Plenty of people out there with outdated skillsets.

But that's their point. When you have people with no jobs, that counts for the unemployment. But even I know how difficult it is to find people to hire for our company as I do HR for a technology firm. There is a high demand, just shortage of people to fill the positions.

Re: What unemployment? Nothing like that in United States of Software

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A demand for workers is not the same thing as no unemployment. Plenty of people out there with outdated skillsets.

Luckily for folks with outdated skillsets, you can learn and practice almost anything in software these days for free from the net. Back in the day you might have had to go back to school, now it's a matter of buckling down and brushing up on your Rails.

You need an incredibly high level of computer literacy first though.

Re: What unemployment? Nothing like that in United States of Software

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Luckily for folks with outdated skillsets, you can learn and practice almost anything in software these days for free from the net. Back in the day you might have had to go back to school, now it's a matter of buckling down and brushing up on your Rails.

You need an incredibly high level of computer literacy first though.

I don't think we're talking about people who have never programmed before; we're talking about maybe COBOL and Fortran experts, or people who write low-level C but can only find Python and Ruby jobs.

Re: What unemployment? Nothing like that in United States of Software

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A demand for workers is not the same thing as no unemployment. Plenty of people out there with outdated skillsets.

But that's their point. When you have people with no jobs, that counts for the unemployment. But even I know how difficult it is to find people to hire for our company as I do HR for a technology firm. There is a high demand, just shortage of people to fill the positions.

I see an increasing unwillingness of companies to train people who don't have EXACTLY the right skillset. This used be different in the 90s.

Re: What unemployment? Nothing like that in United States of Software

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To become a software developer (especially the kind with a CS related degree), you need:

-A highly analytical mindset

-The ability to handle tough math

-The ability to read dense material and process it quickly

-The mindset to persevere, test, investigate, and find obscure problems in complex systems

-The ability to see a project through to its finish

-The ability to explain complex logic and design, verbally and in writing

It also helps immensely to have

- The ability to work well in a team, and good general social skills (the notion that this isn't important in software development is a silly myth, it's incredibly important)

- The ability to complete lengthy and difficult academic programs, without veering off into less demanding majors that give you more time to party.

- A family or other benefactor that can fund and support you through these academic programs (I knew a dude who tried to major in CS while working 25hrs a week in retail. Extraordinary people can do this, but it's very difficult to carry physics, math, cs, and a humanities elective under these circumstances. Many smart people fail even when school is their only "job").

It makes absolutely no sense to compare a person like this to the national average. The general unemployment rate has nothing to do with the unemployment rate for people like this.

So is the unemployment rate actually low for software developers, or is it simply low for all people with the traits listed above, regardless of field? You could reasonably argue that jobs go begging in software largely because the field is not competitive with the other professions/trades that people with these traits have available to them.

Re: What unemployment? Nothing like that in United States of Software

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You need an incredibly high level of computer literacy first though.

I don't think we're talking about people who have never programmed before; we're talking about maybe COBOL and Fortran experts, or people who write low-level C but can only find Python and Ruby jobs.

Are we really at the point where engineers can't find jobs because they only know C++ instead of Python and Ruby web stacks?

This is a bit concerning, if so.

Re: What unemployment? Nothing like that in United States of Software

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In Germany there is the word "Schweinezyklus". Pig cycle. It's mostly prevalent in engineering. It works like this: 1. Companies complain about not having enough qualified engineers

2. Everybody gets told to get into engineering in college

3. Boom crashes. Companies lay off engineers. The new engineering graduates don't get hired and are unemployed

4. Everybody flees engineering

5. Back to step 1.

I think we are at the end of step 1 and 2. -

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