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Discuss HN: Amazon is going to win heavily aren't they?

#1
Hi, It's been a while HN.

Amazon is going to win heavily aren't they?

Or to put it another way, 3 out of maybe 10 of my computers can checkout at the newly updated Walmart.com. For Apple's Online store, it says "please call us to make an order". For an indie online bookstore I went too and few others, it says "your browser is not supported" please use a new browser where some devices can't use a new browser. And other websites consistently giving errors and not load things.

For 10 out of 10 computers, Amazon.com works.

Why are web developers doing this?

I grew up at a time where the obsession was IE6 and backwards compatibility was key so that no customer was left behind. I remember we did everything to make sure as much of our customers can access our websites with fallback towards more universal and generic HTML standards that have stood the test of time.

I'm a tech person, I have access to the latest and greatest. Many of my friends, parents, relatives do not.

Now, so many websites demand the most up to date browser to work correctly and shop and apparently gives you no choice except to use it or not shop at their store except, well, Amazon. So Amazon they shop.

What's going on here?

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#2
Walmart is doing a terrible job. Progressive degradation has largely been forgotten because just about everyone is using a full-featured browser. Most web developers stopped caring and I'm one of them. Chrome won the browser wars. If you don't want to use it, enjoy your bad experience.

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#4
Frameworks run amok? Unecessary complexity to solve even more unecessary complexity. There are tons of smart people in tech who get bored and like to create things. In the 2000's many of smartest people were in finance and created CDOs, SPEs and CDSes. Now many of the same type of people who otherwise been in finance have migrated to tech due to the high wages and favorable working conditions and their favorite acronyms are instead PWAs and *JS.

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#6
post #2

Walmart is doing a terrible job. Progressive degradation has largely been forgotten because just about everyone is using a full-featured browser. Most web developers stopped caring and I'm one of them. Chrome won the browser wars. If you don't want to use it, enjoy your bad experience.

I will happily enjoy my experience and my data stays happily in my own hands, not google's

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#7
Amazon.com seems to still supports TLS 1.0 and 1.1, older less secure protocols.

Newest operating system no longer enable TLS 1.0 or 1.1. Without three hacks an Ubuntu 20 won't allow any connections with those ciphers. While on the other hand older operating systems like Windows 7 don't understand TLS 1.2 and can't be upgraded.

So apart from HTML when it comes to secure HTTPS connection all security advice is to no longer allow outdated ciphers. 5 years in the future I'd expect old browsers to longer be able to access most internet websites.

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post #7

Amazon.com seems to still supports TLS 1.0 and 1.1, older less secure protocols. Newest operating system no longer enable TLS 1.0 or 1.1. Without three hacks an Ubuntu 20 won't allow any connections with those ciphers. While on the other hand older operating systems like Windows 7 don't understand TLS 1.2 and can't be upgraded. So apart from HTML when it comes to secure HTTPS connection all security advice is to no l…

Following security advice blindly is never a great idea. I don't think modern browsers will fall back below TLS 1.2 anymore (or at least not automatically), so offering support for TLS 1.0 doesn't impact them.

Then the question is what do you want to do with older browsers? Do you want to give them a browser error that users probably can't understand or do you want to let them in and shop?

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post #2

Walmart is doing a terrible job. Progressive degradation has largely been forgotten because just about everyone is using a full-featured browser. Most web developers stopped caring and I'm one of them. Chrome won the browser wars. If you don't want to use it, enjoy your bad experience.

I will happily enjoy my experience and my data stays happily in my own hands, not google's

Using Firefox has not hindered my experience one bit, so I'm fully in agreement here. Not sure what the OP comment is talking about.
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