The promise and paradox of decentralization
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Re: The promise and paradox of decentralization
#2> The first downside to "Anyone can build anything" is that "anyone" means anyone, and the people to whom decentralized systems are the most attractive are the ones who are banned from other systems, often for good reasons.
This is an often overlooked point from the user perspective. Decentralization sounds great when a website censors content you didn't want it to censor, but most users don't realize just how much unwanted spam and abuse content gets quietly removed from public platforms on a daily basis. The sheer volume of spam or even just angry/abusive users on public platforms these days is hard to describe if you haven't been on the spam/abuse prevention side of a popular website.
Worse, the most abusive users tend to be the most persistent. They can become very good at gaming things like IP blocks, reputation systems, or voting systems. The best users can quickly get frustrated with even small levels of abuse and leave a platform.
Decentralization seems to work well for cases where individuals are privately interacting with other users they already know. It seems much more difficult to solve the problem of public forum websites where anyone can contribute content. That's a dream come true for spammers and abusers. I'm interested to see how this space evolves as these platforms try different solutions.
Re: The promise and paradox of decentralization
#3True decentralization is a natural but ephemeral quality of networks with relatively few nodes. That is, scales where each individual node has enough internal resources to accurately represent the entire network. Human networks are parameterized _very roughly_ by Dunbar's Number (100-250), while modern computer networks are much more capable.
As a small network scales up, decentralization becomes unnatural; nodes and links require too many resources to accurately model and communicate the network state. It becomes net energy efficient to introduce layers of dedicated networking nodes, routing protocols, and entire subnets. It is not a fluke that "Web3.0/DeFi" technologies so far are either a) tremendously inefficient or b) end up centralized.
If you want to preserve true decentralization at this scale, you need to enforce it. Prohibit centralization in any form. No more central networking/control nodes. Perhaps there are clever schemes where you can e.g. shard the entire network uniformly across its nodes, but the bottom line--the paradox--is that some central authority must decide on and enforce the sharding/decentralization policies and actively prevent centralization from emerging.
Frankly, decentralization at almost any meaningful scale in our modern global society is a myth. It's a myth tightly coupled to the American origin story and its philosophical roots in the classical liberalism of Locke et al. and Western/Reformation Christianity.
From a hard scientific perspective, it makes no sense why to sacrifice the welfare of a system for the sake of maximizing the welfare of an arbitrary component that depends on the welfare of the system. Especially when we are confronted with systemic I/O imbalances on a global scale. To arrive at the myth of decentralization, you need the ingredient of (hyper)individualist ideology.
Re: The promise and paradox of decentralization
#4Good article that makes a good faith effort to discuss tradeoffs rather than glorifying or demonizing decentralization. > The first downside to "Anyone can build anything" is that "anyone" means anyone, and the people to whom decentralized systems are the most attractive are the ones who are banned from other systems, often for good reasons. This is an often overlooked point from the user perspective. Decentralizatio…
Re: The promise and paradox of decentralization
#5Good article that makes a good faith effort to discuss tradeoffs rather than glorifying or demonizing decentralization. > The first downside to "Anyone can build anything" is that "anyone" means anyone, and the people to whom decentralized systems are the most attractive are the ones who are banned from other systems, often for good reasons. This is an often overlooked point from the user perspective. Decentralizatio…
I can't wait for when decentralization fanatics will invent some kind of order that will very much look like the good old natural pyramid one can encounter anywhere..
The bigger the size of a network, the more attractive it is to abusers, while at the same time being more difficult to manage.
Re: The promise and paradox of decentralization
#6Good article that makes a good faith effort to discuss tradeoffs rather than glorifying or demonizing decentralization. > The first downside to "Anyone can build anything" is that "anyone" means anyone, and the people to whom decentralized systems are the most attractive are the ones who are banned from other systems, often for good reasons. This is an often overlooked point from the user perspective. Decentralizatio…
punishing someone for breaking the rules - not vague "we reserve the right to fuck you in the ass for any reason or no reason at all" kind of bullshit rules employed by facebook/twitter/reddit/whatever - is not considered censorship even at the kinds of places where people are particularly sensitive to it - for example, people don't accuse moderators of censorship when someone posts porn on 4chan's safe-for-work boards and it then gets deleted.
besides, facebook/twitter/reddit/whatever, despite being centralized and authoritarian services, aren't equipped to combat abuse any better than decentralized entities, the only difference being that instead of blatant low-effort buy-penis-pills spam they are targeted for subtle manipulation at industrial scale.
Re: The promise and paradox of decentralization
#7Good article that makes a good faith effort to discuss tradeoffs rather than glorifying or demonizing decentralization. > The first downside to "Anyone can build anything" is that "anyone" means anyone, and the people to whom decentralized systems are the most attractive are the ones who are banned from other systems, often for good reasons. This is an often overlooked point from the user perspective. Decentralizatio…
I can't wait for when decentralization fanatics will invent some kind of order that will very much look like the good old natural pyramid one can encounter anywhere..
Re: The promise and paradox of decentralization
#8The author touches on some of the weaknesses of true decentralization but does not directly address the fundamental paradox. True decentralization is a natural but ephemeral quality of networks with relatively few nodes. That is, scales where each individual node has enough internal resources to accurately represent the entire network. Human networks are parameterized _very roughly_ by Dunbar's Number (100-250), whil…
And for an ideology that actually build decentralised but just systems, I am strangely enamored by anarchists.
They(except Ancaps) have been working at this for about 1-2 centuries and it's a hard problem (and not all anarchists are trying to be smart about it). The only way that I can see to make it work (in theory) is to find a way to do confederations of confederations that keep everything more or less manageable with human interpersonal relationships and "sane" local rules on each layer and delegate global things upwards, with shortcuts and balancing mechanisms that make sure the state apparatus stays decentralised, nimble and controlled bottom up, not too down. I think Switzerland and Norway as well as some first Nations are closest to this, but I hope we'll all get there one day.
Re: The promise and paradox of decentralization
#9The author touches on some of the weaknesses of true decentralization but does not directly address the fundamental paradox. True decentralization is a natural but ephemeral quality of networks with relatively few nodes. That is, scales where each individual node has enough internal resources to accurately represent the entire network. Human networks are parameterized _very roughly_ by Dunbar's Number (100-250), whil…
I think you're right in that peer-to-peer doesn't scale. I also don't think many (reasonable) individualist ideologies espouse that it does either. Individualism isn't renouncing hierarchical power structures, but rather asserting that the power rests with the hierarchy's leaves (individuals) not with the root nodes (collectives). It's the same way the west leverages a republic rather than direct democracy for it's legal system.
Or put another way, the individual leaves should be in control of the nodes higher up in the hierarchy, not visa versa. Imo, your interpretation of the debate is missing the real argument being had here. Decentralization in this a political context is saying "power should be distributed to leaf nodes as much as possible". Naturally, those leaves will still organize themselves hierarchically in the name of efficiency (ie: I'll elect this official to make decisions on my behalf because i don't have the time to contemplate every bill/law being proposed myself). But that hierarchical delegation is still a distributed/decentralized power structure as long as the people can freely re-organize into a different hierarchy or elect a new representative at will.
Re: The promise and paradox of decentralization
#10The author touches on some of the weaknesses of true decentralization but does not directly address the fundamental paradox. True decentralization is a natural but ephemeral quality of networks with relatively few nodes. That is, scales where each individual node has enough internal resources to accurately represent the entire network. Human networks are parameterized _very roughly_ by Dunbar's Number (100-250), whil…
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