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Grand jury subpoena for Signal user data, Central District of California

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Re: Grand jury subpoena for Signal user data, Central District of California

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Post by toomuchtodo »

colemannugent wrote: post #2

The latest installment in the "Government doesn't understand math" series

I think that’s uncharitable. Everyone is going through the motions required of them, and this is the public demonstration of those mechanizations (although Signal is a bit cheeky, which is fun). The next step would be government requiring, through legislation, more invasive logging and data collection (Australia and parts of Europe have already seen the beginnings of this discussion) of messaging apps (“we’ve asked for what we can, they said they don’t have it and aren’t required to have it, what do you want us to do?”).

When encryption and secure messaging is outlawed, only outlaws will have and use it.

Re: Grand jury subpoena for Signal user data, Central District of California

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Post by cassonmars »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #5
colemannugent wrote: post #2

The latest installment in the "Government doesn't understand math" series

I think that’s uncharitable. Everyone is going through the motions required of them, and this is the public demonstration of those mechanizations (although Signal is a bit cheeky, which is fun). The next step would be government requiring, through legislation, more invasive logging and data collection (Australia and parts of Europe have already seen the beginnings of this discussion) of messaging apps (“we’ve asked f…

This is why messaging apps need to be decentralized and built on top of protocols that cannot be censored or meaningfully monitored.

Re: Grand jury subpoena for Signal user data, Central District of California

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Post by toomuchtodo »

cassonmars wrote: post #7
toomuchtodo wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that’s uncharitable. Everyone is going through the motions required of them, and this is the public demonstration of those mechanizations (although Signal is a bit cheeky, which is fun). The next step would be government requiring, through legislation, more invasive logging and data collection (Australia and parts of Europe have already seen the beginnings of this discussion) of messaging apps (“we’ve asked f…

This is why messaging apps need to be decentralized and built on top of protocols that cannot be censored or meaningfully monitored.

With enough effort, anyone can go to jail. America held a taxi driver for 17 years at Guantanamo Bay with no evidence. Tech won’t save you from the state. As always, if your threat model includes a state actor, you are going to have a bad time. For all intents and purposes, their resources are unlimited.

Freedom is won in the courts and the legislature, not in the code (although tech is as useful tool for keeping government implantations in check).

(I still use and donate to Signal, but have a healthy understanding of its limits)

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