Too many new papers may mean novel ideas rarely rack up citations
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#3> the newbies compete so intensely amongst themselves that they can’t compete with the established dominant choice — in the case of research, that often means [mostly only old papers get cited].
The article does not mention tenure and the publish or perish incentive (which forces academia to work like the auto industry, just-in-time manufacturing of incrementally better output).
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/gMszBSAX23uqYhytR/technologi...
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#4Equilibriums are often punctuated.
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#5Scientific progress is still way ahead engineering readiness in terms of results… and engineering readiness, while catching up, validates and enables further scientific progress.
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#6I wish the article had addressed the other issue in the area: funding. The US stopped lavishly funding scientific research sometime in the 1970s. Private industry has taken up the difference, but private industry wants to focus on immediately usable research for profit, rather than fundamental stuff that’ll be useful for the next century for all of society.
Is it that surprising that the most cited research papers come from the tail end of the federally funded research era?
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#7Was academia terribly relevant in my field when I was a grad student? Nope. In general, the work was poorly supervised, not-reproducible, and the peer review process was completely broken. Students just wanted to graduate and professors just wanted tenure and funding points.
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#8I just wanted to note that the paper the blog post is discussing received some attention here on HN a little over 2 weeks ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28821498
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#9I think this comes down to the growth of scientific management and technocracy in research and that bureaucracy's attempt to fight over dwindling public funding for the sciences coupled with lack of private non-commercial sources of funding. Universities are mostly made up of managers or researchers that end up acting like managers in order to justify their position. This leads to a set of bureaucratic rules for scientific success and a range of conferences that prop that system up. Disagreement, the possibility to be stupid and wrong, and the ability to take random choices based on intuition are eliminated when the majority of a field acts like scientific managers.
I highly recommend reading "The Body Electric" which details an excellent example, in both technical and social terms, of how structural effects like the above impede highly "random" or creative ideas in science.
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#10No, it isn't waning. There are struggles, but that doesn't mean its waning. We're having massive progress in medicine, space, cosmology, environment, biology, food, transportation.
Hell, the only thing that's waning is public perception of science and that seems to be a deliberate political attack.