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Treasury Dept. Seeks to Track Transactions of Personal Bank Accounts over $600

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Re: Treasury Dept. Seeks to Track Transactions of Personal Bank Accounts over $600

#3
The proposal seems wrong, but the article is a bit off too.

> As Mises noted, capitalism suffocates without loopholes.

The definition of “loophole” here, though, is actual tax avoidance. Wrong tack to take. I’ve worked in small and marginal businesses, we paid the taxes. No sympathy here.

The article refers twice to the idea that the reporting will be on movements of $600 or more- is that right? A plain reading of the text (below) suggests that the account balance is of $600, and the movements will be of any size.

The text, which is short and could have been included, is:

> This proposal would create a comprehensive financial account information reporting regime. Financial institutions would report data on financial accounts in an information return. The annual return will report gross inflows and outflows with a breakdown for physical cash, transactions with a foreign account, and transfers to and from another account with the same owner. This requirement would apply to all business and personal accounts from financial institutions, including bank, loan, and investment accounts,2 with the exception of accounts below a low de minimis gross flow threshold of $600 or fair market value of $600. Other accounts with characteristics similar to financial institution accounts will be covered under this information reporting regime. In particular, payment settlement entities would collect Taxpayer Identification Numbers (TINs) and file a revised Form 1099-K expanded to all payee accounts (subject to the same de minimis threshold), reporting not only gross receipts but also gross purchases, physical cash, as well as payments to and from foreign accounts, and transfer inflows and outflows. Similar reporting requirements would apply to crypto asset exchanges and custodians.

> Separately, reporting requirements would apply in cases in which taxpayers buy crypto asset from one broker and then transfer the crypto assets to another broker, and businesses that receive crypto assets in transactions with a fair market value of more than $10,000 would have to report such transactions.

> The Secretary would be given broad authority to issue regulations necessary to implement this proposal.

The proposal would be effective for tax years beginning after December 31, 2022.

Re: Treasury Dept. Seeks to Track Transactions of Personal Bank Accounts over $600

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post #2

this feels so icky. there's probably many good reasons but i hate seeing an administration i want to do good increasing the survelliance state in such a critical, serious way.

Don’t forget that Obama expanded the surveillance state more than GW Bush did.

This will also increase the cost of government to track it all. I expect it will disproprtionately focus on the lower-to-middle income businesses and people, not the high-end deadbeats, since it’ll be easier to grab pennies from many than millions from a difficult few.

Re: Treasury Dept. Seeks to Track Transactions of Personal Bank Accounts over $600

#5
WSJ: https://archive.is/jdXf7

> ... compelling banks to share data on customer accounts, a move that requires congressional approval, would amount to just an initial step in narrowing the gap ... The IRS would need to figure out a way to use the information to decide which business owners to audit and what questions to ask them. The plan also includes billions of dollars for technology and staffing so the IRS could digest and analyze that information.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9973671/Bidens-plan...

> One key prong of President Biden’s plan to bankroll Democrats’ $3.5 trillion budget plan is to monitor gross inflows and outflows from an individual’s bank account ... some are concerned that it might run up against the Fourth Amendment and those who can’t afford to fight tax audits or move their money into offshore accounts ... The proposal would require banks to report to gross inflows and outflows to the IRS, including transactions from Venmo, PayPal, crypto exchanges and the like ...

Re: Treasury Dept. Seeks to Track Transactions of Personal Bank Accounts over $600

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This is warrantless mass-surveillance, and done overtly. The US is still a democracy, and people should push back, and demand that their elected representatives block it.

Justice Douglas, in his dissenting opinion on the 1974 California Bankers Association v Shultz case that upheld the constitutionality of the Bank Secrecy Act, provided an excellent argument against warrantless mass-surveillance and the doctrines, like Total Information Awareness, that promote it:

It is estimated that a minimum of 20 billion checks - and perhaps 30 billion - will have to be photocopied and that the weight of these little pieces of paper will approximate 166 million pounds a year. 6

It would be highly useful to governmental espionage to have like reports from all our bookstores, all our hardware [416 U.S. 21, 85] and retail stores, all our drugstores. These records too might be "useful" in criminal investigations.

One's reading habits furnish telltale clues to those who are bent on bending us to one point of view. What one buys at the hardware and retail stores may furnish clues to potential uses of wires, soap powders, and the like used by criminals. A mandatory recording of all telephone conversations would be better than the recording of checks under the Bank Secrecy Act, if Big Brother is to have his way. The records of checks - now available to the investigators - are highly useful. In a sense a person is defined by the checks he writes. By examining them the agents get to know his doctors, lawyers, creditors, political allies, social connections, religious affiliation, educational interests, the papers and magazines he reads, and so on ad infinitum. These are all tied to one's social security number; and now that we have the data banks, these other items will enrich that storehouse and make it possible for a bureaucrat - by pushing one button - to get in an instant the names of the 190 million Americans who are subversives or potential and likely candidates.

It is, I submit, sheer nonsense to agree with the Secretary that all bank records of every citizen "have a high degree of usefulness in criminal, tax, or regulatory investigations or proceedings." That is unadulterated nonsense unless we are to assume that every citizen is a crook, an assumption I cannot make.

Since the banking transactions of an individual give a fairly accurate account of his religion, ideology, opinions, and interests, a regulation impounding them and making them automatically available to all federal investigative agencies is a sledge-hammer approach to a problem that only a delicate scalpel can manage. Where fundamental personal rights are involved - as is true when as here the [416 U.S. 21, 86] Government gets large access to one's beliefs, ideas, politics, religion, cultural concerns, and the like - the Act should be "narrowly drawn" (Cantwell v. Connecticut, 310 U.S. 296, 307 ) to meet the precise evil. 7 Bank accounts at times harbor criminal plans. But we only rush with the crowd when we vent on our banks and their customers the devastating and leveling requirements of the present Act. I am not yet ready to agree that America is so possessed with evil that we must level all constitutional barriers to give our civil authorities the tools to catch criminals.

Also worth noting that the threshold for reporting transactions when the BSA was passed, of $10,000, was worth $55,490 after adjusting for inflation. Now Treasury wants to decrease it to $600, which is a 92X decrease from the original threshold. If you factor in the 41% increase in real median income since 1974, the threshold the Treasury is pushing for would be 130X smaller, as a share of median income, than it was when the BSA was enacted.

The BSA fell down the the slippery slope to total mass-surveillance.

Re: Treasury Dept. Seeks to Track Transactions of Personal Bank Accounts over $600

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This is warrantless mass-surveillance, and done overtly. The US is still a democracy, and people should push back, and demand that their elected representatives block it. Justice Douglas, in his dissenting opinion on the 1974 California Bankers Association v Shultz case that upheld the constitutionality of the Bank Secrecy Act, provided an excellent argument against warrantless mass-surveillance and the doctrines, li…

> This is warrantless mass-surveillance, and done overtly. The US is still a democracy, and people should push back, and demand that their elected representatives block it.

Agreed. The Community Bankers association is requesting that U.S. banking clients contact their elected representatives. Only 90,000 have spoken up so far, more are needed to push back against the normalization of dangerous proposals.

https://www.icba.org/bank-locally/consumer-alert-from-icba & https://www.icba.org/newsroom/news-and-articles/2021/08/19/r...

> While community banks do not endorse such broad IRS access to their customers’ account information, consumers need to be aware of the potential effects of this proposal. Mandating new, broad bank account reporting to the IRS would infringe on the privacy of bank customers, push more people away from a banking relationship and overload the IRS with more personal information about American citizens than it can possibly process or keep safe from a data hack. To be heard in Washington before this bank IRS reporting regime is enacted, you can send the following customizable message directly to your members of Congress and ensure your voice is heard.

Re: Treasury Dept. Seeks to Track Transactions of Personal Bank Accounts over $600

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post #9

Result will be like we see in Russia: deals between US businesses will become deals between their offshores, and just enough money to pay salaries, will be moved into the country.

Unlikely. Most American small businesses and individuals can't set up offshore structures willy nilly (it's too expensive and complex), and FACTA makes it a lot harder for them to even if they want to. Lots of financial institutions hate working with Americans and will avoid it if possible in some places because of FACTA.

Keeping money offshore doesn't make sense for the little guy. You're required to report it with significant penalties for non-compliance, and the anti-tax-deferral rules for controlled foreign corporations basically make repatriating just enough money to pay salaries a pointless exercise.

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