Tianwen-1 attitude in Mars orbit
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Tianwen-1 attitude in Mars orbit
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Re: Tianwen-1 attitude in Mars orbit
#2Always interesting when something is on front page, but doesn't have a single comment.
Anyone one know why that can happen?
Is it that a title sounds interesting, so people upvote (this one had 86 votes) but noone actually reads or finds anything of interest in the article to discuss?
Just curious.
I, for one, find it interesting that anyone with the necessary equipment can observe spaceships and satellites, etc and what they might be doing far away.
Are signals not encrypted or is this entirely via observation somehow?
Re: Tianwen-1 attitude in Mars orbit
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Re: Tianwen-1 attitude in Mars orbit
#4Always interesting when something is on front page, but doesn't have a single comment. Anyone one know why that can happen? Is it that a title sounds interesting, so people upvote (this one had 86 votes) but noone actually reads or finds anything of interest in the article to discuss? Just curious. I, for one, find it interesting that anyone with the necessary equipment can observe spaceships and satellites, etc and…
I may be completely wrong, but I remember reading some spacecraft have a couple “streams” of data. Control signals tend to be encrypted (don’t want a backyard idiot wrecking your spacecraft), but for most other things the limited bandwidth makes encryption overhead unappealing.
Would love to hear someone who actually knows this stuff speak to it.
Re: Tianwen-1 attitude in Mars orbit
#5Always interesting when something is on front page, but doesn't have a single comment. Anyone one know why that can happen? Is it that a title sounds interesting, so people upvote (this one had 86 votes) but noone actually reads or finds anything of interest in the article to discuss? Just curious. I, for one, find it interesting that anyone with the necessary equipment can observe spaceships and satellites, etc and…
Sometimes, if there's a story I find interesting but am not entirely clear on, I upvote it so others more qualified have a better chance of seeing and commenting on it. I guess if enough people do this, a story'll teach the front page w/ 0 comments. Just my own 2¢.
Re: Tianwen-1 attitude in Mars orbit
#6Always interesting when something is on front page, but doesn't have a single comment. Anyone one know why that can happen? Is it that a title sounds interesting, so people upvote (this one had 86 votes) but noone actually reads or finds anything of interest in the article to discuss? Just curious. I, for one, find it interesting that anyone with the necessary equipment can observe spaceships and satellites, etc and…
I may be completely wrong, but I remember reading some spacecraft have a couple “streams” of data. Control signals tend to be encrypted (don’t want a backyard idiot wrecking your spacecraft), but for most other things the limited bandwidth makes encryption overhead unappealing. Would love to hear someone who actually knows this stuff speak to it.
I don't think the backyard idiot would have this in their backyard: https://amsat-dl.org/en/20-meter-antenna/ which is what they used to receive this. Sending control commands would be even harder. Mars is far. But for earth orbiting says this is more of a risk indeed.
The uplink (control commands)would be encrypted for sure but the downlink (telemetry) is often not for scientific missions. For military or commercial it's a different thing obviously.
Even SpaceX' launch cams (downlink) were not encrypted for a while and amateurs received them. Only when this made the news they started encrypting them. Probably because they do military launches too (the cameras for those on their web feed shut down when the payload is visible, but this would possibly show those)
https://www.rtl-sdr.com/receiving-video-directly-from-a-spac...
Re: Tianwen-1 attitude in Mars orbit
#7Always interesting when something is on front page, but doesn't have a single comment. Anyone one know why that can happen? Is it that a title sounds interesting, so people upvote (this one had 86 votes) but noone actually reads or finds anything of interest in the article to discuss? Just curious. I, for one, find it interesting that anyone with the necessary equipment can observe spaceships and satellites, etc and…
There are normally at least two radio links: telemetry and telecommand. Some spacecraft have multiple of each, with at least one channel of each being some sort of emergency channel where you can only do the most basic ops or get the most basic data.
As the sibling comment mentions, command signals are normally at least signed, and many times also encrypted.
Telemetry is way less sensitive, so it is usually not encrypted in scientific missions. There are well known protocols for space communications (e.g. CCSDS, PUS), so once you figure out a few fields you can make educated guesses of what each byte is. A previous post of the linked blog discusses it in detail: https://destevez.net/2020/08/tianwen-1-telemetry-framing-and...
Even without the actual telemetry, there are many things you can guess about the satellite attitude from just observing the radio signal. Many satellite and radio amateurs love doing that!
Re: Tianwen-1 attitude in Mars orbit
#8Always interesting when something is on front page, but doesn't have a single comment. Anyone one know why that can happen? Is it that a title sounds interesting, so people upvote (this one had 86 votes) but noone actually reads or finds anything of interest in the article to discuss? Just curious. I, for one, find it interesting that anyone with the necessary equipment can observe spaceships and satellites, etc and…
> Always interesting when something is on front page, but doesn't have a single comment.
I'm sure I've seen a name for this effect somewhere, but I don't remember it. Does anyone else know?
Re: Tianwen-1 attitude in Mars orbit
#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
I may be completely wrong, but I remember reading some spacecraft have a couple “streams” of data. Control signals tend to be encrypted (don’t want a backyard idiot wrecking your spacecraft), but for most other things the limited bandwidth makes encryption overhead unappealing. Would love to hear someone who actually knows this stuff speak to it.
I don't think the backyard idiot would have this in their backyard: https://amsat-dl.org/en/20-meter-antenna/ which is what they used to receive this. Sending control commands would be even harder. Mars is far. But for earth orbiting says this is more of a risk indeed. The uplink (control commands)would be encrypted for sure but the downlink (telemetry) is often not for scientific missions. For military or commercial…
Apparently the encryption has to do with needing to have a license from NOAA in order to broadcast images of Earth.
https://www.theverge.com/2018/4/5/17197742/spacex-falcon-9-r...
Re: Tianwen-1 attitude in Mars orbit
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think the backyard idiot would have this in their backyard: https://amsat-dl.org/en/20-meter-antenna/ which is what they used to receive this. Sending control commands would be even harder. Mars is far. But for earth orbiting says this is more of a risk indeed. The uplink (control commands)would be encrypted for sure but the downlink (telemetry) is often not for scientific missions. For military or commercial…
Apparently the encryption has to do with needing to have a license from NOAA in order to broadcast images of Earth. https://www.theverge.com/2018/4/5/17197742/spacex-falcon-9-r...
Thank you for sharing.
NOAA requiring a license for images of Earth is infuriating. Do they require other countries to get a license as well?