The First Soviet in Ireland
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The First Soviet in Ireland
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Re: The First Soviet in Ireland
#2Love the flashing sidebar advert. It's like the 1980s never happened.
Re: The First Soviet in Ireland
#3Fun historical fact: the Netherlands didn't recognize the USSR until 1942- after strong pressure from the US of all places.
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#4Fun historical fact: the Netherlands didn't recognize the USSR until 1942- after strong pressure from the US of all places.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend - or as Churchill put it:
"If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons."
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#5Fun historical fact: the Netherlands didn't recognize the USSR until 1942- after strong pressure from the US of all places.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend - or as Churchill put it: "If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons."
Good to have clear priorities.
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#6Another, perhaps more notable example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limerick_Soviet
Re: The First Soviet in Ireland
#7Fun historical fact: the Netherlands didn't recognize the USSR until 1942- after strong pressure from the US of all places.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend - or as Churchill put it: "If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons."
And Stalin's comment on allying with the US and Britain to win World War II: "It is permissible to walk with the devil to the end of the bridge."
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#8In retrospect, the brief Irish flirtation with the Soviet Union seems both inevitable and doomed. A small state trying to establish itself must look for potential allies wherever it can; but the overwhelmingly Roman Catholic nationalist Ireland and the forcibly atheist internationalist USSR were not lasting partners.
Quite the understatement here.
Re: The First Soviet in Ireland
#9In retrospect, the brief Irish flirtation with the Soviet Union seems both inevitable and doomed. A small state trying to establish itself must look for potential allies wherever it can; but the overwhelmingly Roman Catholic nationalist Ireland and the forcibly atheist internationalist USSR were not lasting partners. Quite the understatement here.
What's the difference between Ireland and Cuba? Both are small countries dominated by a nearby power and both are highly Catholic. Yet somehow Cuba managed to make it work with the Soviets. It's true there's differences between the countries (Cuba wasn't quite as Catholic as Ireland), but I don't see how TFA's comment is a forgone conclusion the way you do.
Re: The First Soviet in Ireland
#10In retrospect, the brief Irish flirtation with the Soviet Union seems both inevitable and doomed. A small state trying to establish itself must look for potential allies wherever it can; but the overwhelmingly Roman Catholic nationalist Ireland and the forcibly atheist internationalist USSR were not lasting partners. Quite the understatement here.
> Quite the understatement here.
I just think its plain wrong. See, Cuba.
Leninism and its descendants are specifically adapted from Marxism for pre-capitalist states, and have only ever worked in such places, which Ireland at the time was not, despite being less well developed than, say, England.