Tesla is ordered to turn over Autopilot data to a federal safety agency
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Re: Tesla is ordered to turn over Autopilot data to a federal safety agency
#2> The safety agency informed Tesla weeks ago that it was looking into the spate of crashes in which Tesla vehicles operating on Autopilot failed to detect stopped emergency vehicles with flashing lights. The regulator originally said it was looking into 11 such crashes. A 12th occurred on Saturday, when a Model 3 hit a police cruiser that had stopped behind a car that had broken down on an interstate in Orlando, Fla.
12 crashes into vehicles with flashing lights on them doesn't sound like great success from Autopilot, gonna be honest.
Re: Tesla is ordered to turn over Autopilot data to a federal safety agency
#3> The safety agency informed Tesla weeks ago that it was looking into the spate of crashes in which Tesla vehicles operating on Autopilot failed to detect stopped emergency vehicles with flashing lights. The regulator originally said it was looking into 11 such crashes. A 12th occurred on Saturday, when a Model 3 hit a police cruiser that had stopped behind a car that had broken down on an interstate in Orlando, Fla.…
The driver is responsible for stopping the car. You literally agree to it when you enable AP. People are too comfortable and not paying attention.
Re: Tesla is ordered to turn over Autopilot data to a federal safety agency
#4> The regulator originally said it was looking into 11 such crashes. A 12th occurred on Saturday
But there are 4500 crashes every year, and that's only including ambulances (https://www.ems.gov/pdf/GroundAmbulanceCrashesPresentation.p... pg 22). So why is Tesla being investigated for being involved in 0.25% of these crashes when they made up 3% of car sales in 2020?
Also, radar ignores stationary objects on any car. Why is only Tesla being investigated when this exact same flaw exists in every other car manufacturer that uses radar based cruise control?
Re: Tesla is ordered to turn over Autopilot data to a federal safety agency
#5> The safety agency informed Tesla weeks ago that it was looking into the spate of crashes in which Tesla vehicles operating on Autopilot failed to detect stopped emergency vehicles with flashing lights. The regulator originally said it was looking into 11 such crashes. A 12th occurred on Saturday, when a Model 3 hit a police cruiser that had stopped behind a car that had broken down on an interstate in Orlando, Fla.…
The driver is responsible for stopping the car. You literally agree to it when you enable AP. People are too comfortable and not paying attention.
The fact that it occurs so often should suggest to you that autopilot itself makes people too comfortable and not pay attention.
Re: Tesla is ordered to turn over Autopilot data to a federal safety agency
#6> The safety agency informed Tesla weeks ago that it was looking into the spate of crashes in which Tesla vehicles operating on Autopilot failed to detect stopped emergency vehicles with flashing lights. The regulator originally said it was looking into 11 such crashes. A 12th occurred on Saturday, when a Model 3 hit a police cruiser that had stopped behind a car that had broken down on an interstate in Orlando, Fla.…
> 12 crashes into vehicles with flashing lights on them doesn't sound like great success from Autopilot, gonna be honest.
I'm sorry, but how can you form an opinion so quickly? 12 crashes out of what? Any number? 12 crashes out of 10000000 scenarios sound like a pretty good record, while 12 crashes out of 15 scenarios indeed doesn't sound like a great success.
But what information do you have that the rest of us doesn't?
Re: Tesla is ordered to turn over Autopilot data to a federal safety agency
#7Earlier quoted context omitted.
The driver is responsible for stopping the car. You literally agree to it when you enable AP. People are too comfortable and not paying attention.
The fact that it occurs so often should suggest to you that autopilot itself makes people too comfortable and not pay attention.
I, and many others, take the position that there really isn't any practical gradation between more-or-less conventional driving, maybe with light lane switching assistance or something, and full on "Level 5" autonomous driving, because the idea that human brains can watch something for hours at a time only to take instant, sub-second actions every few hours is an insane model of human cognition.
I don't disagree with the idea of having a gradient to measure our progress up to full autonomy, but I haven't seen much to say that we should deploy the intermediate stages. Until autonomy can be reasonably guaranteed at at least human levels of safety under the assumption of no human control, it really shouldn't be deployed. "But the human had 673 milliseconds to take control and avert the accident! It's their fault!" is simply not a reasonable defense.
Re: Tesla is ordered to turn over Autopilot data to a federal safety agency
#8> The safety agency informed Tesla weeks ago that it was looking into the spate of crashes in which Tesla vehicles operating on Autopilot failed to detect stopped emergency vehicles with flashing lights. The regulator originally said it was looking into 11 such crashes. A 12th occurred on Saturday, when a Model 3 hit a police cruiser that had stopped behind a car that had broken down on an interstate in Orlando, Fla.…
> 12 crashes into vehicles with flashing lights on them doesn't sound like great success from Autopilot, gonna be honest. I'm sorry, but how can you form an opinion so quickly? 12 crashes out of what? Any number? 12 crashes out of 10000000 scenarios sound like a pretty good record, while 12 crashes out of 15 scenarios indeed doesn't sound like a great success. But what information do you have that the rest of us does…
yes. 12 crashes out of the maximum possible number of encounters.
Re: Tesla is ordered to turn over Autopilot data to a federal safety agency
#9> The safety agency informed Tesla weeks ago that it was looking into the spate of crashes in which Tesla vehicles operating on Autopilot failed to detect stopped emergency vehicles with flashing lights. The regulator originally said it was looking into 11 such crashes. A 12th occurred on Saturday, when a Model 3 hit a police cruiser that had stopped behind a car that had broken down on an interstate in Orlando, Fla.…
The driver is responsible for stopping the car. You literally agree to it when you enable AP. People are too comfortable and not paying attention.
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Re: Tesla is ordered to turn over Autopilot data to a federal safety agency
#10> The safety agency informed Tesla weeks ago that it was looking into the spate of crashes in which Tesla vehicles operating on Autopilot failed to detect stopped emergency vehicles with flashing lights. The regulator originally said it was looking into 11 such crashes. A 12th occurred on Saturday, when a Model 3 hit a police cruiser that had stopped behind a car that had broken down on an interstate in Orlando, Fla.…
The driver is responsible for stopping the car. You literally agree to it when you enable AP. People are too comfortable and not paying attention.
> The driver is responsible for stopping the car. You literally agree to it when you enable AP. People are too comfortable and not paying attention.
Autopilot encourages people to not pay as much attention while driving, until a critical situation comes up at which point they're expected to be fully in control. That's a design flaw that isn't fixed with a liability shifting "Agree" button.