Paris speed limit falls to 30km/h
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Re: Paris speed limit falls to 30km/h
#2To put how slow that is into perspective, it's slower than the speed limit on most residential streets in America, and it's about the same as the school zone speed limits that are only used at the beginning and end of each school day.
Re: Paris speed limit falls to 30km/h
#3To put how slow that is into perspective, it's slower than the speed limit on most residential streets in America, and it's about the same as the school zone speed limits that are only used at the beginning and end of each school day.
But also slower
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Re: Paris speed limit falls to 30km/h
#5Lowering sped limits within towns and residential areas increases the chances of a pedestrian surviving a collision with a vehicle, especially heavy good vehicles. Too many kids and old people are dying just because they walk out into the road without looking.
Re: Paris speed limit falls to 30km/h
#6To put how slow that is into perspective, it's slower than the speed limit on most residential streets in America, and it's about the same as the school zone speed limits that are only used at the beginning and end of each school day.
Huh, that's curious.
30 km/h is what residential streets in Germany are pretty much by default [0].
In busy pedestrian areas, we're getting down to 20 km/h [1] and km/h [2]
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/30_km/h_zone#Europe [1] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begegnungszone [2] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schrittgeschwindigkeit
Re: Paris speed limit falls to 30km/h
#7Lowering sped limits within towns and residential areas increases the chances of a pedestrian surviving a collision with a vehicle, especially heavy good vehicles. Too many kids and old people are dying just because they walk out into the road without looking.
Only if they are enforced.
Re: Paris speed limit falls to 30km/h
#8Lowering sped limits within towns and residential areas increases the chances of a pedestrian surviving a collision with a vehicle, especially heavy good vehicles. Too many kids and old people are dying just because they walk out into the road without looking.
Lowering speed limits doesn't do much except maybe in North Korea or somewhere else where draconian enforcement to actually get compliance is palatable. It's well understood in civil engineering circles that people in aggregate drive what they consider to be the reasonable speed for the road and if you want slower traffic you need to play visual tricks to make that happen. On multi-lane roads lowering speed limits makes things worse because it increases speed differentials between car traffic causing less predicable traffic flow (bad for pedestrians) and robbing drivers of situational awareness they could be spending on other things (like pedestrians). Changing out a bunch of signs is a feel good measure at best and a backhanded attempt to increase revenue via fines at worst.
If it was as easy as slapping up signs with low numbers and then reaping the political brownie points from reduced deaths every local politician would do it.
Re: Paris speed limit falls to 30km/h
#9To put how slow that is into perspective, it's slower than the speed limit on most residential streets in America, and it's about the same as the school zone speed limits that are only used at the beginning and end of each school day.
Huh, that's curious. 30 km/h is what residential streets in Germany are pretty much by default [0]. In busy pedestrian areas, we're getting down to 20 km/h [1] and km/h [2] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/30_km/h_zone#Europe [1] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begegnungszone [2] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schrittgeschwindigkeit
Here in Ontario, Canada, the speed limit inside cities is usually 50km/h with school zones being 40 km/h.
We're just recently dropping speed limits in suburbs and more urban areas to 40 km/h and those school zones to 30 km/h.
I'm almost certain 4-10km/h is slower than idle in first gear in my manual diesel. That sounds painful, to be honest.
Re: Paris speed limit falls to 30km/h
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
Huh, that's curious. 30 km/h is what residential streets in Germany are pretty much by default [0]. In busy pedestrian areas, we're getting down to 20 km/h [1] and km/h [2] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/30_km/h_zone#Europe [1] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begegnungszone [2] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schrittgeschwindigkeit
Here in Ontario, Canada, the speed limit inside cities is usually 50km/h with school zones being 40 km/h. We're just recently dropping speed limits in suburbs and more urban areas to 40 km/h and those school zones to 30 km/h. I'm almost certain 4-10km/h is slower than idle in first gear in my manual diesel. That sounds painful, to be honest.
Factually speaking, no one drives in first gear without gas in Germany either. But that's no different than the adherence to any other speed limit.
And of course it's painful, that's the point. You're supposed to avoid those 4-10km/h areas if at all possible. They're basically an admittance of "we couldn't technically forbid cars from entering". You'll never encounter them when shopping, going to church, or driving to the park.