Airbnb victim describes crime and aftermath
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#2I submitted this article (a little warily because I know the front page has been inundated with this story) because it appears to contain the new-to-me information that an arrest in the case was made on June 28 and that the SFPD verified this on July 29.
(edit: Whoops, misread the date - sorry. This story does still seem to have more info from the SFPD than others I've read.)
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#3I submitted this article (a little warily because I know the front page has been inundated with this story) because it appears to contain the new-to-me information that an arrest in the case was made on June 28 and that the SFPD verified this on July 29. (edit: Whoops, misread the date - sorry. This story does still seem to have more info from the SFPD than others I've read.)
June 28.
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#4"Airbnb victim"? Really?
This is getting out of hand.
Re: Airbnb victim describes crime and aftermath
#5I submitted this article (a little warily because I know the front page has been inundated with this story) because it appears to contain the new-to-me information that an arrest in the case was made on June 28 and that the SFPD verified this on July 29. (edit: Whoops, misread the date - sorry. This story does still seem to have more info from the SFPD than others I've read.)
Yes, new to me as well...as now we have an actual name for a suspect. And according to the SFChronicle, the SFPD is characterizing it as being connected to EJ's case, which is more or less what Brian Chesky said:
>The SFPD said Friday that on June 28 officers arrested Faith Clifton, a 19-year-old in San Francisco, in connection the case. She was booked into San Francisco County Jail on possession of stolen property, methamphetamine, fraud charges and an outstanding warrant in Milpitas.
They also detained two individuals in Belmont earlier that day, but released them pending further investigation. A search of the premises produced some items taken in the alleged theft. Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/07/29/...
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#6Huh. Methamphetamine. Color me less sanguine about my take on that particular theory, then. (I thought meth was improbable.)
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#7"Airbnb victim"? Really? This is getting out of hand.
Well, she's certainly a victim. Which victim? The one associated with Airbnb, at least around here. I think the abbreviation "Airbnb victim" is pretty logical - even if it makes you feel uncomfortably as though she was victimized by Airbnb, which ... well. That's a much tougher question.
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#8"Airbnb victim"? Really? This is getting out of hand.
Well, she's certainly a victim. Which victim? The one associated with Airbnb, at least around here. I think the abbreviation "Airbnb victim" is pretty logical - even if it makes you feel uncomfortably as though she was victimized by Airbnb, which ... well. That's a much tougher question.
The question is quite simple IMO; the answer is "no, she wasn't victimized by AirBnB".
I've had an apartment burgled so I do empathize with her to some degree, but I have to say the whole thing is starting to take on an air of melodrama and hyperbole that is becoming offputting. It's probably too soon, and I know I'll be viewed as an insensitive clod, but the time to start healing by rising above it and moving on with her life begins now. If she needs some help, counseling, a support group, whatever; that's fair, some do. But if she does, then get those, and stop using the internet as a substitute.
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#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, she's certainly a victim. Which victim? The one associated with Airbnb, at least around here. I think the abbreviation "Airbnb victim" is pretty logical - even if it makes you feel uncomfortably as though she was victimized by Airbnb, which ... well. That's a much tougher question.
The question is quite simple IMO; the answer is "no, she wasn't victimized by AirBnB". I've had an apartment burgled so I do empathize with her to some degree, but I have to say the whole thing is starting to take on an air of melodrama and hyperbole that is becoming offputting. It's probably too soon, and I know I'll be viewed as an insensitive clod, but the time to start healing by rising above it and moving on wit…
Well, the reason this is not as simple as you would like is this: clearly, the original incident was not AirBnB's fault; it was a crime that happened in the same context as any other rental or lease situation, and (as I've posted in volume elsewhere) it happens. I've had tenants, so I empathize with her immensely, but it's still not even close to AirBnB's fault.
So insofar as the original incident is concerned, you're not wrong. She wasn't victimized by AirBnB.
And in fact initially AirBnB reacted quite admirably - until she posted in public. Then AirBnB stopped reacting admirably.
There have been some rationalizations for the fact that all contact with the company ceased except for some apparent invitation for a coffee, there's been a request and no doubt a fervent desire on AirBnB's part that this not be quite so public, or at least if public, not quite so eloquent - so you tell me. When a company cuts off contact with you because you endanger their funding, then lies about it in the industry press, is that victimization? I don't know - but neither do you. Which is why I said it's a tougher question.
Also, I'd really like to differ with you rather vehemently with your oblique assertion that the Internet should be seen as a "substitute" for a real community. Where do you think you just posted?
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#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, she's certainly a victim. Which victim? The one associated with Airbnb, at least around here. I think the abbreviation "Airbnb victim" is pretty logical - even if it makes you feel uncomfortably as though she was victimized by Airbnb, which ... well. That's a much tougher question.
The question is quite simple IMO; the answer is "no, she wasn't victimized by AirBnB". I've had an apartment burgled so I do empathize with her to some degree, but I have to say the whole thing is starting to take on an air of melodrama and hyperbole that is becoming offputting. It's probably too soon, and I know I'll be viewed as an insensitive clod, but the time to start healing by rising above it and moving on wit…
Okay, so she wasn't victimized by AirBnB. The Craigslist Killer also didn't work for Craigslist. I don't think anyone reading the headlines, story, or comments really are misinterpreting what's being said. But it's disingenuous to completely remove AirBnB from the discussion, too. If nothing else, it was a catalyst of sorts. I don't find two blog posts spaced out over a month to be ridiculous and appreciate the caveat she's offering others by doing so. More than that I'm enjoying the honest discussion around security considerations of renting out your home. If it spurs AirBnB to make things safer for its clientele, all the better.