The protocol designed to heal the ozone layer may also have fended off warming
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The protocol designed to heal the ozone layer may also have fended off warming
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Re: The protocol designed to heal the ozone layer may also have fended off warming
#2Sounds exactly like a serial killer saying they saved someone's life by practicing self control.
Re: The protocol designed to heal the ozone layer may also have fended off warming
#3This article is an interesting retrospective on some really good environmental moves the world has undertaken and may serve to help wash away doubt folks have about the ability for global cooperation to actually materialize buuuut... Gosh that title is just itching to be abused by apologists, we've managed to not end mankind in a whole bunch of ways during the past century - some people were quite convinced that a nuclear apocalypse was going to be the inevitable conclusion to the cold war.
Re: The protocol designed to heal the ozone layer may also have fended off warming
#4Good, so we have shown that we can make a difference. That means the defeatist argument ("we can't, so what's the point") does not hold, and we can proceed to actually do something. Patting ourselves on the shoulder that something has been done in the past will not help.
Re: The protocol designed to heal the ozone layer may also have fended off warming
#5Will the nazis that moderate here keep on limiting freedom of speech?
Re: The protocol designed to heal the ozone layer may also have fended off warming
#6Will the nazis that moderate here keep on limiting freedom of speech?
I was not involved with downvoting your first comment but I am downvoting this one because it's a clear violation of the guidelines:
https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
Re: The protocol designed to heal the ozone layer may also have fended off warming
#7Ditching CFS is laudable. Ditching oil is a bit harder.
I remember the hole in the ozone layer thing from start to not being quite finished (there are still a few holdouts in some parts of the world)
I remember the breathless announcements on the TV news and realizing that the underarm deodorant I was using was a wrong one and doing fuck all about it (I was a teenager.) The manufacturer of that deodorant switched chemicals.
I remember fridges and freezers being dumped because they were using the "wrong" refrigerants by well meaning owners. Could they have been re-gassed up with a non CFC and continued to work? No idea but I suspect that a lot of waste was generated.
Pollution is hard to deal with, it's so easy to emit and so hard to withdraw. At the risk of trivializing the issue: try farting in front of your parents-in-law or considering doing it in front of 'er Maj Queen Elizabeth and considering the consequences.
Re: The protocol designed to heal the ozone layer may also have fended off warming
#8Good, so we have shown that we can make a difference. That means the defeatist argument ("we can't, so what's the point") does not hold, and we can proceed to actually do something. Patting ourselves on the shoulder that something has been done in the past will not help.
Quite. Plant trees and conserve peat bogs.
Re: The protocol designed to heal the ozone layer may also have fended off warming
#9Ditching CFS is laudable. Ditching oil is a bit harder. I remember the hole in the ozone layer thing from start to not being quite finished (there are still a few holdouts in some parts of the world) I remember the breathless announcements on the TV news and realizing that the underarm deodorant I was using was a wrong one and doing fuck all about it (I was a teenager.) The manufacturer of that deodorant switched che…
Cash for clunkers anyone? How much waste did that create...turn in a 20 year old Civic and get a bunch of money to buy a brand new vehicle that probably gets worse MPG.
Re: The protocol designed to heal the ozone layer may also have fended off warming
#10Ditching CFS is laudable. Ditching oil is a bit harder. I remember the hole in the ozone layer thing from start to not being quite finished (there are still a few holdouts in some parts of the world) I remember the breathless announcements on the TV news and realizing that the underarm deodorant I was using was a wrong one and doing fuck all about it (I was a teenager.) The manufacturer of that deodorant switched che…
Ditching fossil fuels substantially isn't hard, it's just expensive. If we'd been willing to take the economic hit (and able to co-ordinate doing so as a species) we could have kept emissions well below the current atmospheric level within the bounds of current technology. It would just have meant building a lot of nuclear power plants and using shitty batteries for a lot of stuff