The Perl Foundation faces more departures
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The Perl Foundation faces more departures
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Re: The Perl Foundation faces more departures
#2I did not follow the rise of the Perl Foundation, was it "we need to pay these people for the work they do for the community" or was it "We need a way to take this away from Larry Wall?"
Re: The Perl Foundation faces more departures
#3Oh well. This one.
Just some context: Samantha McVey was/is involved with the guy who kept pushing repositories with names like perl6-n_g_er (fully spelled out, of course) and commit messages like "Get a job, n_g_er". Just look at this juicy thread:
https://twitter.com/kraih/status/1408525949218570240
There was also a Slack log which corroborated what Sebastian had written about, and I don't know why I spent time to read it, but I have read it, and at the end I don't know why CAT even exists, what exact function it fulfills except for apparently being a SI unit of hypocrisy, and what a joke the whole thing (TPF and CAT both) is.
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#4Fighting over who to cancel is an ugly thing, and we need not do it. What is gained? Civility? The grim possibility of being ostracized is itself the object of conflict. Any sufficiently motivated argument devolves to the question of who deserves to be canceled.
Remove this hazard entirely. Make it easier to step away from an ugly thread.
This is a voluntary meritocracy, not a revolutionary committee for the eradication of hidden societal power structures. As such, the question of who to lynch today has no place in it.
Re: The Perl Foundation faces more departures
#5Oh, MST...
Re: The Perl Foundation faces more departures
#6Fighting over who to cancel is an ugly thing, and we need not do it. What is gained? Civility? The grim possibility of being ostracized is itself the object of conflict. Any sufficiently motivated argument devolves to the question of who deserves to be canceled. Remove this hazard entirely. Make it easier to step away from an ugly thread. This is a voluntary meritocracy, not a revolutionary committee for the eradicat…
This is no longer a meritocracy, people around here will accuse you of privilege for even suggesting a meritocracy could exist.
China and Russia are laughing all the way to the bank while the baizuo bring down the rest of the world.
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#7Fighting over who to cancel is an ugly thing, and we need not do it. What is gained? Civility? The grim possibility of being ostracized is itself the object of conflict. Any sufficiently motivated argument devolves to the question of who deserves to be canceled. Remove this hazard entirely. Make it easier to step away from an ugly thread. This is a voluntary meritocracy, not a revolutionary committee for the eradicat…
It's not a meritocracy if you actively push certain types of people away. Merit implies selection based on ability, if you're disqualifying swathes of people with toxicity towards them, it's not a real meritocracy at all. It's a shitty cult.
Wanting to create a less toxic environment that welcomes people and getting rid of people that are hostile to that would be taking steps towards a true meritocracy.
Re: The Perl Foundation faces more departures
#8Oh well. This one. Just some context: Samantha McVey was/is involved with the guy who kept pushing repositories with names like perl6-n_g_er (fully spelled out, of course) and commit messages like "Get a job, n_g_er". Just look at this juicy thread: https://twitter.com/kraih/status/1408525949218570240 There was also a Slack log which corroborated what Sebastian had written about, and I don't know why I spent time to…
What community is welcoming and allows someone like that to be active in 2021? That's shocking and disgusting.
Re: The Perl Foundation faces more departures
#9Fighting over who to cancel is an ugly thing, and we need not do it. What is gained? Civility? The grim possibility of being ostracized is itself the object of conflict. Any sufficiently motivated argument devolves to the question of who deserves to be canceled. Remove this hazard entirely. Make it easier to step away from an ugly thread. This is a voluntary meritocracy, not a revolutionary committee for the eradicat…
The 'merit' you get from keeping around someone like this has to be weighted against the 'merit' you lose from their behavior driving other people away.
For example, where's the merit in this: https://web.archive.org/web/20210625135404/https://git.tyil.... ?
Re: The Perl Foundation faces more departures
#10Fighting over who to cancel is an ugly thing, and we need not do it. What is gained? Civility? The grim possibility of being ostracized is itself the object of conflict. Any sufficiently motivated argument devolves to the question of who deserves to be canceled. Remove this hazard entirely. Make it easier to step away from an ugly thread. This is a voluntary meritocracy, not a revolutionary committee for the eradicat…
It's not a meritocracy if you actively push certain types of people away. Merit implies selection based on ability, if you're disqualifying swathes of people with toxicity towards them, it's not a real meritocracy at all. It's a shitty cult. Wanting to create a less toxic environment that welcomes people and getting rid of people that are hostile to that would be taking steps towards a true meritocracy.
Now, for the next step in achieving meritocracy, one must mention the inherent toxicity of "whiteness."