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Why women in tech are so angry all the time

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Re: Why women in tech are so angry all the time

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If the goal is to have more women in tech, the messaging is wrong. If women in tech are "so angry all the time", that does not encourage a company to hire women, women to enter the field, or parents to encourage their daughters to consider a tech careers.

What "messaging"? The point the author is making is that the anger is wholly justified.

Would it make you feel better if women pretended everything was okay? How on earth would that help young girls considering tech careers? Should young women entering the workforce also pretend everything is okay? When does it end?

I'm going to assume you didn't mean it, but this comment came across to me as tone-deaf victim blaming. In fact, it sounds exactly like the kind of flippant and dismissive responses the author complained about.

It's no wonder women in tech are angry.

Re: Why women in tech are so angry all the time

#4
Just because men do a bad thing, doesn't mean every single man is responsible for that. Not to mention all men have mothers, and they play a huge part in how their children grow up to treat others.

To solve a problem, the root cause must be found, and the root cause of harassment is NOT other men. Sure men could help, but articles like this seem to demand it, like they're yelling at men, as a group, for the actions of individuals. This doesn't make sense, and it doesn't help either.

Re: Why women in tech are so angry all the time

#5
When you're fat every negative slight is perceived to be caused by discrimination against your weight. This is the same but for 'females in tech.' Terrible things happen to everyone all the time. That's life. No reason to blame it on your particular flavor of victimhood.

Re: Why women in tech are so angry all the time

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Here's the problem. Not one of these tips is "work hard and try be a the best at what you do." Instead, she leads with tips on how to be a proactive bridge-burner. Death threats, discrimination, etc. are obviously insane, but a lot of this frustration is self-induced.

> Call out bad behavior you see or hear about, even when it’s uncomfortable.

> Help to report offenders.

> Give credit to and call out great work you see from the women you work with.

> Offer to share your compensation packages to help your women-in-tech peers know their worth.

> Advocate in your own teams for debiasing the interview/promotion process.

> Advocate for events you're attending or organizing to include a more diverse set of voices and refer underrepresented experts you know for opportunities.

> Don't rely on marginalized groups to educate you.

> Listen to and believe women.

Re: Why women in tech are so angry all the time

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>Next time you go to ask yourself why women in tech are so angry, ask yourself why you’re not angry with them.

I'm not angry with you, I'm saddened. You've told them they've gotten to you deeply, and provided a blueprint on how to go further.

Want to be angry? Keep feeding the trolls. Is that the plan? Why?

Edit: I don't understand this response and silence. You all want this?

Re: Why women in tech are so angry all the time

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post #4

Just because men do a bad thing, doesn't mean every single man is responsible for that. Not to mention all men have mothers, and they play a huge part in how their children grow up to treat others. To solve a problem, the root cause must be found, and the root cause of harassment is NOT other men. Sure men could help, but articles like this seem to demand it, like they're yelling at men, as a group, for the actions o…

wow! love this groundbreaking take. "it's not men's fault, it's their mom's fault".

Re: Why women in tech are so angry all the time

#9

Here's the problem. Not one of these tips is "work hard and try be a the best at what you do." Instead, she leads with tips on how to be a proactive bridge-burner. Death threats, discrimination, etc. are obviously insane, but a lot of this frustration is self-induced. > Call out bad behavior you see or hear about, even when it’s uncomfortable. > Help to report offenders. > Give credit to and call out great work you s…

This feels like a non-solution; implying that working harder solves mistreatment simply glosses over the work that women do, and could implicitly associate harassment with "poor performance".

Re: Why women in tech are so angry all the time

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post #8
post #4

Just because men do a bad thing, doesn't mean every single man is responsible for that. Not to mention all men have mothers, and they play a huge part in how their children grow up to treat others. To solve a problem, the root cause must be found, and the root cause of harassment is NOT other men. Sure men could help, but articles like this seem to demand it, like they're yelling at men, as a group, for the actions o…

wow! love this groundbreaking take. "it's not men's fault, it's their mom's fault".

Well, it may not be the fault of the bad actors' mothers but it's _also_ not the fault of the bad actors' other peers who happen to be men, unless the peers are bad too, (as well as the mothers if they happen to be bad too). We all know stereotyping is not the way to go.
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