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First, Let's Shoot All the Philosophers

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Re: First, Let's Shoot All the Philosophers

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Philosophy, as it's taught in universities is not practical. But it doesn't have to be the case. Rather than aim for the abstract ideas such as Descartes, we should aim to teach things that relieve suffering in our daily lives, such as emotional mastery, and mental discipline. We should be answering the question: How best to live life in a world where luck, uncontrolled circumstances, unfairness and disappointments are bound to happen? How best to live in a world where we can't get what we always want?

There are a lot of people with psychological problems in this world. Philosophy won't help them one bit. It's too technical and abstract. But things like the Noble Truths of Buddhism, or even basic emotional intelligence can be helpful to people as they deal with the turmoil of day to day life.

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Philosophy certainly got left behind as science marched into the forefront. We certainly don't live in a age when one could be a world class mathematician, physicist, and philosopher at the same time. Who is the greatest contemporary philosopher that comes to mind?

I find it ironic that this debate is taking place at UNLV because it sort of mirrors the way colleges push certain sports. Likewise with scholarship it's all about the professors who can crank out successful grant applications and co-author paper of the highest quality or expertly exploit gullible grad students.

Re: First, Let's Shoot All the Philosophers

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The author begins by accurately portraying the general ignorance of the study of philosophy, and how this attitude greatly diminishes the perceived value of such studies.

I was in agreement until the post took a sharp turn into veiled conspiracies, where those in authority are seemingly fully aware of how incompetent or corrupt authority can be undermined by questions, and actively seek to stamp out independent thought.

I find myself even less in agreement when he uses Socrates as an example.

Socrates was not killed because of his teachings. He was killed because he was a callous man who held little regard for the egoes he crushed by speaking truth bereft of tact, and in doing so made many enemies. The actual charges used against him were the same sort of trumped up charges you commonly see used to railroad a political enemy. Indeed, he was able to fully demonstrate that Meletus has no real evidence against him, but when you've offended the powerful who have influence over the proceedings, you have little hope of escaping the noose.

When it comes down to it, Occam's Razor makes for an effective tool. Is this a great conspiracy against philosophers, or is it ignorance of philosophy, and thus its merits, leading to this careless dismantling U. Nevada's philosophy department?

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From the article: This is a key point to understand: philosophy, as a discipline, does not provide answers.

Well, notwithstanding the fact that it certainly provides some answers, philosophy is more oriented towards learning how to come up with answers, and more importantly, learning how to recognize if the answer you’ve come up with is right or wrong. I have forgotten much of what my first year philosophy professor said, but one thing that has always stuck with me was his opinion that “If we didn’t have philosophers, we’d still be burning witches.”

That philosophy is useless because it in not practical is the same sort of thinking as expressed by reluctant students taking algebra and pre-calculus: Why do we need to know this stuff? It’s not like I will use it in everyday life. True, for the most part, many things you learn in a math course you will not need to live your everyday life. However, learning these things teaches you how to think, how to reason, and that answers can be derived by methodically applying known principles to discover the unknown. Athletes perform many exercises in the gym using motions and machines they will never encounter in their respective sport, but the point is of course these exercises help to make the body stronger and build endurance. The same principle applies to philosophy.

To me, the spirit of philosophy is asking “why” when everyone just accepts, much like the student in this anecdote:

One day when I was a junior medical student, a very important Boston surgeon visited the school and delivered a great treatise on a large number of patients who had undergone successful operations for vascular reconstruction. At the end of the lecture, a young student at the back of the room timidly asked, “Do you have any controls?” Well, the great surgeon drew himself up to his full height, hit the desk, and said, “Do you mean did I not operate on half of the patients?” The hall grew very quiet then. The voice at the back of the room very hesitantly replied, “Yes, that’s what I had in mind.” Then the visitor’s fist really came down as he thundered, “Of course not. That would have doomed half of them to their death.” God, it was quiet then, and one could scarcely hear the small voice ask, “Which half?” -Dr. E. E. Peacock, Jr

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post #5

From the article: This is a key point to understand: philosophy, as a discipline, does not provide answers. Well, notwithstanding the fact that it certainly provides some answers, philosophy is more oriented towards learning how to come up with answers, and more importantly, learning how to recognize if the answer you’ve come up with is right or wrong. I have forgotten much of what my first year philosophy professor…

I don't understand, what question does philosophy conclusively answer?

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post #3

Philosophy certainly got left behind as science marched into the forefront. We certainly don't live in a age when one could be a world class mathematician, physicist, and philosopher at the same time. Who is the greatest contemporary philosopher that comes to mind? I find it ironic that this debate is taking place at UNLV because it sort of mirrors the way colleges push certain sports. Likewise with scholarship it's…

> Who is the greatest contemporary philosopher that comes to mind?

That is a question that is as difficult to answer as "Who is the greatest contemporary scientist?"

Some candidates are Slavoj Žižek, Peter Singer, Annette Baier, Alastair Hannay, Daniel Dennett, John Searle, Simon Blackburn, Thomas Nagel, Leo Zaibert. The are also many famous philosophers are partly academics in specialist fields, eg. Richard Dawkins, Umberto Eco, Noam Chomsky, Steven Pinker, George Dyson and many more.

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This topic always starts a debate about the value of philosophy as a field of study. The real issue is that with contemporary pick and choose university curricula, few people take philosophy courses. At a school like UNLV, where the top majors are Hotel Management and Athletic Training, how many people are actually studying philosophy? Why keep the department around if nobody is taking the classes?

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From the article: This is a key point to understand: philosophy, as a discipline, does not provide answers. Well, notwithstanding the fact that it certainly provides some answers, philosophy is more oriented towards learning how to come up with answers, and more importantly, learning how to recognize if the answer you’ve come up with is right or wrong. I have forgotten much of what my first year philosophy professor…

I don't mean to flame, but in the light and sense of that quotation, weren't controls invented by scientists and refined by statisticians both concerned with effective experimental design? There weren't philosophers involved until way later.

I find there's some important common ground between science and epistemology that can be talked about, though practicing scientists, in practice, never need to tread there.

Re: First, Let's Shoot All the Philosophers

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I've always found the most persuasive argument for philosophy that it helps kids prepare for law school. Philosophy has some of the most difficult (imo) readings, and as the original Boston Review article mentioned kids in philosophy get the best average score on tests like the LSAT.

However, I've personally found my philosophy classes pretty much useless and despised postmoderism

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