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When will we get secure desktop OSes? (2018)

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Re: When will we get secure desktop OSes? (2018)

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Post by jcelerier »

runjake wrote: post #2

This article is from 2018. Many of the points made in this post have since been addressed by macOS, and continue to be addressed. In fact, some of the issues the author complains about were addressed by the macOS in 2018.

Making it an OS more hated by the day.

Re: When will we get secure desktop OSes? (2018)

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Post by jcelerier »

I wonder if OP is also against all sort of farmer's food. After all, how can you know if the farmer didn't inject the apples he sold you with cyanide (or mini cameras) ? Or maybe the tree grew on a radioactive rock and the apples will give you cancer ten years after ? The only way would be to entirely control food production from the very start in an industrialised and verified way, no ?

Re: When will we get secure desktop OSes? (2018)

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Post by cookiengineer »

jcelerier wrote: post #4

I wonder if OP is also against all sort of farmer's food. After all, how can you know if the farmer didn't inject the apples he sold you with cyanide (or mini cameras) ? Or maybe the tree grew on a radioactive rock and the apples will give you cancer ten years after ? The only way would be to entirely control food production from the very start in an industrialised and verified way, no ?

> The only way would be to entirely control food production from the very start in an industrialised and verified way, no ?

I'm not sure whether you are aware that the way you described it, it actually is in reality. So the sarcastic approach is a little misplaced here.

There are literally institutions that random select tests of food products to ensure their quality. If it's off or outside law regulated guidelines, the manufacturer loses the license to sell it.

In the European Union all recipes have to be approved before they are allowed to go on the market. There are even a few prototype cities (e.g. Hassloch in Germany) to test products before they roll out officially. So it literally is an end-to-end, industrialized, testchain.

The difference here is: It's not the manufacturer that controls itself. It's an independent agency or research institute.

And that is literally what OP was complaining about.

Re: When will we get secure desktop OSes? (2018)

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Post by klodolph »

jcelerier wrote: post #3
runjake wrote: post #2

This article is from 2018. Many of the points made in this post have since been addressed by macOS, and continue to be addressed. In fact, some of the issues the author complains about were addressed by the macOS in 2018.

Making it an OS more hated by the day.

I mean, that’s actually a fair observation, at least on HN. A lot of people on HN do complain about the changes.

There’s a tradeoff between security and convenience. Making something more secure is, essentially, making it harder to use for undesired use cases. The side effect is inevitably that it also makes it harder to use for legitimate use cases.

Re: When will we get secure desktop OSes? (2018)

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Post by jcelerier »

cookiengineer wrote: post #7
jcelerier wrote: post #4

I wonder if OP is also against all sort of farmer's food. After all, how can you know if the farmer didn't inject the apples he sold you with cyanide (or mini cameras) ? Or maybe the tree grew on a radioactive rock and the apples will give you cancer ten years after ? The only way would be to entirely control food production from the very start in an industrialised and verified way, no ?

> The only way would be to entirely control food production from the very start in an industrialised and verified way, no ? I'm not sure whether you are aware that the way you described it, it actually is in reality. So the sarcastic approach is a little misplaced here. There are literally institutions that random select tests of food products to ensure their quality. If it's off or outside law regulated guidelines,…

> I'm not sure whether you are aware that the way you described it, it actually is in reality.

Note that I'm not talking about industrialised production, but about people selling their fruits at the side of a road, who may not even be farmers but just have a large garden ; we had only 3/4 fruit trees when growing up but it'd often make enough to give kilograms of apricots & such can be given away or sold for a few euros at the local fair. I don't remember anyone getting UE approval to be able to do that, any more than a kid needs UE approval to sell lemonade.

Re: When will we get secure desktop OSes? (2018)

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Post by foepys »

cookiengineer wrote: post #7
jcelerier wrote: post #4

I wonder if OP is also against all sort of farmer's food. After all, how can you know if the farmer didn't inject the apples he sold you with cyanide (or mini cameras) ? Or maybe the tree grew on a radioactive rock and the apples will give you cancer ten years after ? The only way would be to entirely control food production from the very start in an industrialised and verified way, no ?

> The only way would be to entirely control food production from the very start in an industrialised and verified way, no ? I'm not sure whether you are aware that the way you described it, it actually is in reality. So the sarcastic approach is a little misplaced here. There are literally institutions that random select tests of food products to ensure their quality. If it's off or outside law regulated guidelines,…

For an example see this article, worth reading:

https://www.grubstreet.com/2020/12/2020-bucatini-shortage-in...

The sequel:

https://www.grubstreet.com/2021/02/de-cecco-bucatini-shortag...

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