Scenarios in which Tesla FSD Beta 9.0 fails

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Post by giacaglia » Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 4:19 PM UTC

Scenarios in which Tesla FSD Beta 9.0 fails
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Post by gamblor956 » Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 4:38 PM UTC

The 4th scenario (going the wrong way down a one-way road because FSD misinterpreted the sign) is especially scary, as that has the highest likelihood of causing a fatality.

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Post by nikhizzle » Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 4:39 PM UTC

Does anyone have any insight as to why regulators allow a beta like this on the road with drivers who are not trained to specifically respond to it's mistakes?

IMHO this puts everybody and their children at risk so Tesla can beta test earlier, but I would love to corrected.

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Post by croes » Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 4:39 PM UTC

I doubt that autonomous driving will work in the next couple of years without infrastructure adjustments. We built roads for cars to replace horses, we will need to built roads for autonmous cars to replace human driven cars.

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Post by croes » Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 4:40 PM UTC

nikhizzle wrote: post #3

Does anyone have any insight as to why regulators allow a beta like this on the road with drivers who are not trained to specifically respond to it's mistakes? IMHO this puts everybody and their children at risk so Tesla can beta test earlier, but I would love to corrected.

They fear Elon's Twitter wrath

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Post by darknavi » Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 4:41 PM UTC

nikhizzle wrote: post #3

Does anyone have any insight as to why regulators allow a beta like this on the road with drivers who are not trained to specifically respond to it's mistakes? IMHO this puts everybody and their children at risk so Tesla can beta test earlier, but I would love to corrected.

> drivers who are not trained to specifically respond to it's mistakes

What would this entail? Perhaps some sort of "license" which allows the user to operator a motor vehicle?

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Post by avalys » Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 4:44 PM UTC

nikhizzle wrote: post #3

Does anyone have any insight as to why regulators allow a beta like this on the road with drivers who are not trained to specifically respond to it's mistakes? IMHO this puts everybody and their children at risk so Tesla can beta test earlier, but I would love to corrected.

Because America does not yet require that its citizens ask mommy and daddy for permission for every thing they do.

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Post by nrjames » Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 4:45 PM UTC

nikhizzle wrote: post #3

Does anyone have any insight as to why regulators allow a beta like this on the road with drivers who are not trained to specifically respond to it's mistakes? IMHO this puts everybody and their children at risk so Tesla can beta test earlier, but I would love to corrected.

I used to work with the USG. There was "Beta" software absolutely everywhere, including on some very sensitive systems, because it was not required to go through security approval until it was out of Beta. In some instances, these applications had been in place for > 10 years. That was a number of years ago, so I hope the situation has changed. In general, the USG doesn't have sophisticated infrastructure and policy to deal with software that is in development. With Tesla, my guess is that it is not that they are allowing it to happen, but that they lack the regulatory infrastructure to prevent it from happening.

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Post by ethbr0 » Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 4:46 PM UTC

darknavi wrote: post #6

nikhizzle wrote: post #3

Does anyone have any insight as to why regulators allow a beta like this on the road with drivers who are not trained to specifically respond to it's mistakes? IMHO this puts everybody and their children at risk so Tesla can beta test earlier, but I would love to corrected.

> drivers who are not trained to specifically respond to it's mistakes What would this entail? Perhaps some sort of "license" which allows the user to operator a motor vehicle?

Safely operating a motor vehicle via a steering wheel, accelerator, and brake (and sometimes clutch and gearshift) is a completely different skillset than monitoring an automated system in realtime.

Novel skill requirements include: interpreting FSD UI, anticipating common errors, recognizing intent behind FSD actions, & remaining vigilant even during periods of autonomous success.

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Post by Barrin92 » Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 4:46 PM UTC

avalys wrote: post #7

nikhizzle wrote: post #3

Does anyone have any insight as to why regulators allow a beta like this on the road with drivers who are not trained to specifically respond to it's mistakes? IMHO this puts everybody and their children at risk so Tesla can beta test earlier, but I would love to corrected.

Because America does not yet require that its citizens ask mommy and daddy for permission for every thing they do.

this isn't going to the ice cream store, this is driving two tons of steel with experimental software that glitches constantly through inner city traffic. If you look at the footage, at times these cars behave as erratically as a drunk driver, and they're controlled by what appears to be random 'beta testers' with no qualifications to operate a car under those conditions.