The Case Against the Covid-19 Lab Leak Theory
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The Case Against the Covid-19 Lab Leak Theory
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#2It's kinda obvious that the 'lab leak theory' was created just to attack China.
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#3When looking at all of the facts, it's almost certain corona came from the WIV corona lab.
The virologists who claimed otherwise in early 2020 have financial conflicts of interest if funding was cut, or if they were banned from the lab by the CCP. You can see the same CCP influence over WHO and the WHO "investigation."
What hasn't been explained is why WIV deleted all their corona DNA sequences from the NIH database (some have been partially recovered.) Their claim is that their excel was taken down for computer security reasons, but the NIH database is separate. Normally NIH deletions are only done for "mistakes."
Australian media have been investigating hard since early 2020 (they were not subject to TDS or racial shaming) and are basically one source away from connecting all the dots between the US, Australia and Chinese involvement in corona and GoF.
COVID-19 is an international conspiracy involving numerous virologists who travel between multiple countries, partly to evade GoF restrictions in their home countries.
(If you recall the CCP saying that the virus came from the US, I believe they were referring to the funding source. The CCP says a mixture of transparent statements and PR, but often there is a kernel of truth in their message.)
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#4It's kinda obvious that the 'lab leak theory' was created just to attack China.
No, COVID-19 came from Wuhan, regardless of theory.
The CCP banned domestic air travel from Wuhan to other cities in China early in the pandemic, so the CCP knew at the highest levels where it came from. The various crematoria in Wuhan worked around the clock for months.
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#5It's kinda obvious that the 'lab leak theory' was created just to attack China.
Of course the theory is used that way, it fits nicely into various political arguments. But that doesn't influence the veracity of the lab leak theory either way.
Looking at the article, it also uses weak arguments to support its thesis: "She first takes aim at the popular version of the lab leak theory that posits that Covid was taken from nature and escaped in its wild form. The problem with that scenario, she told me, is that a swab from a bat contains very little infectious virus. Each bat weighs less than half an ounce, and each sample is basically a Q-tip swiped briefly over a bat’s mouth or anus. These samples are stored in vials in the freezer; they’re not likely to spill or leak, the way disaster movies have primed us to suppose."
The real-world counter-argument to this is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marburg_virus
Lab leaks do happen, and all researchers in those labs do have an interest to play down the danger and cover things up to continue working.
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#6It's kinda obvious that the 'lab leak theory' was created just to attack China.
Why is that?
I find it equally obvious that China released the virus to attack the world. Exhibit A: China only have 92.000 cases total and no new cases in like a year. Point is I have a hard time believing what’s true or false when the ”fat cats dance”. Atleast it’s no secret that China have silenced doctors and people working in close proximity of the virus in the early days of discovering it.
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#7As someone who is out of the loop on this and only a basic understanding, it seems very peculiar that scientists were so quickly to just jump on the "it must be bats and a wet market" thing so early on despite the Wuhan lab being right there.
It's like when some out-of-control company creates a superfund site through gross negligence of industrial byproduct handling and then goes "idk cancer gonna cancer. you can't link that to us!".
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#8It's kinda obvious that the 'lab leak theory' was created just to attack China.
I would argue the exact opposite: the lab leak theory is intentionally downplayed to protect China/relations with China.
There are a lot of coincidences that make a lab leak a real possibility. It is possible those are all coincidences and the virus is of natural origin, but it is also possible that those are not coincidences and the virus originates from a lab leak.
Most likely we will never know since virus origin investigations are difficult to begin with, and China has no motivation to fairly cooperate in this investigation. It also is not actually important, since it is extremely unlikely the virus was intentionally released.
For political reasons it is better to go with the natural origin story and avoid stirring things up - there is no gain to be had from pressing the issue.
Re: The Case Against the Covid-19 Lab Leak Theory
#9It's kinda obvious that the 'lab leak theory' was created just to attack China.
Of course the theory is used that way, it fits nicely into various political arguments. But that doesn't influence the veracity of the lab leak theory either way. Looking at the article, it also uses weak arguments to support its thesis: "She first takes aim at the popular version of the lab leak theory that posits that Covid was taken from nature and escaped in its wild form. The problem with that scenario, she told…
There is some evidence that they had live bats in the laboratory. This would make sense, bats are quite different from other mammals, and it seems very likely that some bat viruses can not be cultivated in standard cell cultures.
Re: The Case Against the Covid-19 Lab Leak Theory
#10As someone who is out of the loop on this and only a basic understanding, it seems very peculiar that scientists were so quickly to just jump on the "it must be bats and a wet market" thing so early on despite the Wuhan lab being right there. It's like when some out-of-control company creates a superfund site through gross negligence of industrial byproduct handling and then goes "idk cancer gonna cancer. you can't l…
“When HIV/AIDS emerged in the 1980s, it was alleged, with a little Soviet help, that the virus had been developed in an American lab. Between Washington’s inaction on the epidemic and its sordid past of shady experiments, proponents said the theory couldn’t be dismissed out of hand.
After many early cases of tick-borne Lyme disease were first identified around Long Island Sound, it was deemed too much of a coincidence that the U.S. military’s Plum Island animal research lab sat on an island in the sound itself.
When SARS emerged in 2003, so did fears of the severe acute respiratory syndrome’s unnatural origin. “It’s a very unusual outbreak,” bioweapons expert Ken Alibek told the New York Times at the time. “It’s hard to say whether it’s deliberate or natural.” One Russian scientist posited that “the propagation of the atypical pneumonia may well be caused by a leak of a combat virus grown in Asian bacteriological weapons labs.”
And in recent years, efforts to eradicate Ebola have been hobbled by attacks on health care workers motivated, at least in part, by a belief that the virus is man-made.”
https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/06/15/lab-leak-theory-doesnt-...
This literally happens every goddamn time. Natural explanation is simpler.