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It’s time to break up the Ivy League cartel

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Re: It’s time to break up the Ivy League cartel

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Post by tedunangst »

What would happen if Harvard were required to accept 40 percent of all applicants as before?

I think it would be pretty amusing if they got 50000 applicants, admitted 20000, and then said "guess what Cambridge, we're building 200 new dormitories, here, there, and everywhere."

Re: It’s time to break up the Ivy League cartel

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Post by graeme »

tedunangst wrote: post #4

What would happen if Harvard were required to accept 40 percent of all applicants as before? I think it would be pretty amusing if they got 50000 applicants, admitted 20000, and then said "guess what Cambridge, we're building 200 new dormitories, here, there, and everywhere."

Either it would have to expand its undergrad programs, or student quality (as Harvard measures it) would decline.

Joseph Heath has a very interesting article comparing US elite schools (tiny undergrad program) and Canadian elite schools (massive undergrad programs, bigger than Ivy League)

http://induecourse.ca/the-bottleneck-in-u-s-higher-education...

Re: It’s time to break up the Ivy League cartel

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Post by tedunangst »

graeme wrote: post #8
tedunangst wrote: post #4

What would happen if Harvard were required to accept 40 percent of all applicants as before? I think it would be pretty amusing if they got 50000 applicants, admitted 20000, and then said "guess what Cambridge, we're building 200 new dormitories, here, there, and everywhere."

Either it would have to expand its undergrad programs, or student quality (as Harvard measures it) would decline. Joseph Heath has a very interesting article comparing US elite schools (tiny undergrad program) and Canadian elite schools (massive undergrad programs, bigger than Ivy League) http://induecourse.ca/the-bottleneck-in-u-s-higher-education...

I've seen this before, and I think it's ridiculous to assume that there's some arbitrary cutoff about top 10 colleges. Why is not percentile based?

For reference, there's 12 Houses at Harvard. With a bit of paperwork, they could each be a separate college, pushing Dartmouth all the way down completely out of the top 20. But would the education at Dartmouth have gotten worse in any way?

Rephrased, what if we instead classify the Ivy League as a single college with eight campuses? What's the difference?

Re: It’s time to break up the Ivy League cartel

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Post by Causality1 »

jlund-molfese wrote: post #5

https://outline.com/YAPKuj Non-paywalled link

I wonder what the deal is with such a large percentage of submissions being paywalled sites. Do the submitters have subscriptions to everything and just don't realize? Does everybody reading HN have anti-paywall extensions installed? Sure there's always the archive.is link but someone has to see the article in the first place.
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