Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?
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Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?
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Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?
#2I'm disappointed by the top answer: it doesn't seem to make a clear distinction between 'the airport' (a gigantic swath many types of workers, private, public ownership, etc.) and the authority which actually collects and processes passenger information inside of the airport.
1. My ID is scanned at the airline-owned kiosk/desk to "check in" and print a boarding pass. I'm in the public section of the airport. (Where does this data go?)
2. My ID is scanned by an authority at the security checkpoint (TSA). My boarding pass is now "linked" to a presumably verified ID. I'm in the "secure" section of the airport. (Where does this data go?)
3. My boarding pass (now linked to my ID) is scanned at the jetway as I board the plane. I'm on the plane. (Where does this data go?)
Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?
#3Since they were interested in this specific person, the reports that they had someone following him at the airport are probably correct. That would be the easiest/cheapest way of being sure he's there and actually on the plane.
Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?
#4Yes, they do, in fact, almost everybody in the travel industry can get its hands on PNRs, and manifests.
A travel history of almost everybody can be reconstructed fully for the last ~10 years from those databases.
And of course that stuff went to .onion sites.
That's just like almost everybody's financial information collected, and reported for the sake of "counterterrorism" (CRS,) and, soon, SIM card subscriber data.
Up until quite recently, a number of countries had access to every bank transaction in the world going through SWIFT in Switzerland.
Every time you pass the border in the airport, the guy in the booth can google pretty much every administrative record about you down to things like your parking tickets. Not to say, things like criminal records are an open book across "developed" countries.
Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?
#5I'm disappointed by the top answer: it doesn't seem to make a clear distinction between 'the airport' (a gigantic swath many types of workers, private, public ownership, etc.) and the authority which actually collects and processes passenger information inside of the airport. 1. My ID is scanned at the airline-owned kiosk/desk to "check in" and print a boarding pass. I'm in the public section of the airport. (Where d…
>1. My ID is scanned at the airline-owned kiosk/desk to "check in" and print a boarding pass. I'm in the public section of the airport. (Where does this data go?)
Airline Reservation System
>2. My ID is scanned by an authority at the security checkpoint (TSA). My boarding pass is now "linked" to a presumably verified ID. I'm in the "secure" section of the airport. (Where does this data go?)
Department of Homeland Security/Fed Gov Agencies
>3. My boarding pass (now linked to my ID) is scanned at the jetway as I board the plane. I'm on the plane. (Where does this data go?)
Goes to the Airline Reservation System and is shared with FAA/DHS/NO FLY LIST and if travel is International, it will be sent (before the plane leaves the gate) to the Destination Country to be checked by their Customs/Immigration/NO FLY LIST/Police. You will not be permitted to board if you show up on the NO FLY LIST.
Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?
#6I’m more inclined to believe the Belorussian intelligence knew ahead of time the details, and acted. Absolutely distasteful.
Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?
#7I'm disappointed by the top answer: it doesn't seem to make a clear distinction between 'the airport' (a gigantic swath many types of workers, private, public ownership, etc.) and the authority which actually collects and processes passenger information inside of the airport. 1. My ID is scanned at the airline-owned kiosk/desk to "check in" and print a boarding pass. I'm in the public section of the airport. (Where d…
Maybe that's how it works in America, but it doesn't mean it's the same everywhere. And given that the post was motivated by recent events in Europe it doesn't seem too relevant.
In Europe when you go through security no one checks your id. In fact most of the time when you fly inside Schengen with hand luggage only no one checks your id at all. But there definitely isn't something comparable to TSA that would have the information.
Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?
#8I'm disappointed by the top answer: it doesn't seem to make a clear distinction between 'the airport' (a gigantic swath many types of workers, private, public ownership, etc.) and the authority which actually collects and processes passenger information inside of the airport. 1. My ID is scanned at the airline-owned kiosk/desk to "check in" and print a boarding pass. I'm in the public section of the airport. (Where d…
>1. My ID is scanned at the airline-owned kiosk/desk to "check in" and print a boarding pass. I'm in the public section of the airport. (Where does this data go?) Airline Reservation System >2. My ID is scanned by an authority at the security checkpoint (TSA). My boarding pass is now "linked" to a presumably verified ID. I'm in the "secure" section of the airport. (Where does this data go?) Department of Homeland Sec…
You forgot booking databases.
90+% of flights go through either Amadeus, or Sabre, which were of course long coopted by governments around the world to provide every piece of data possible.
This way Russia knows where to send their hitmen to kill political opposition, Israel spies on Palestinians travel around the world, and US knows when to send extradition requests for Russian carders when they travel abroad.
Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?
#9It looks like the Belarus KGB was on the flight anyway - presumably the journalist was being followed/tracked:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/24/belarus-seizur...
Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?
#10Yes, they do, in fact, almost everybody in the travel industry can get its hands on PNRs, and manifests. A travel history of almost everybody can be reconstructed fully for the last ~10 years from those databases. And of course that stuff went to .onion sites. That's just like almost everybody's financial information collected, and reported for the sake of "counterterrorism" (CRS,) and, soon, SIM card subscriber data…
SWIFT is headquartered in Belgium.